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Spoke to a Sales Consultant at a local dealership today. He was saying "late '22" for the facelift.
To me that didn't make any sense. He did confirm that the 21/22 switch should happen in a few months as is normal. I can't imagine Porsche would do a facelift only a few months after starting a new model year. Personally I think he was trying to sell me a car although he did seem fine with me waiting for a '22 allocation.
Anyone hear anything recently?
Also, no one commented that it looks like a fully digital Taycan-esque display is coming?
I can't believe they still have the volume control for the radio in the same location. My only experience with it was on test drives and it was irritating, On top of it, the round **** forward of it, which looks like a radio control **** does something entirely different.
Ouch. Looks like Porsche is getting rid of all physical controls/buttons. Not every automaker is following this. I will stick with the automakers who keep physical controls. I really thought Porsche would be one of them.
Was at dealership today, SA told me there is no facelift they know about for 2022 and they are currently taking orders for the 22's. I'm guessing all the hype on the internet and the possible changes shown are scheduled for 2023...just my two cents.
Was at dealership today, SA told me there is no facelift they know about for 2022 and they are currently taking orders for the 22's. I'm guessing all the hype on the internet and the possible changes shown are scheduled for 2023...just my two cents.
it seems like dealers are the last to know, or they deny changes are coming so they have a better chance of selling what they have now.
As I posted above, the '22 Panny has been announced and will have an updated steering wheel and turbo V8 among other changes. As these parts are shared with the Cayenne, it makes no sense for Porsche to continue to produce the old steering wheel and turbo V8 along side the updated versions for the Panny, IMO.
Oh I see the steering wheel change, it's got a chrome trim of sorts. The '22 Cayenne configurator also shows this change compared to the '21. I wonder what else is different, I can't see a list of changes anywhere.
Was at dealership today, SA told me there is no facelift they know about for 2022 and they are currently taking orders for the 22's. I'm guessing all the hype on the internet and the possible changes shown are scheduled for 2023...just my two cents.
You know it's getting closer when the official press releases about the refreshed models start to appear:
[QUOTEPress Release 21 May 2021 Cayenne Turbo Coupé Fuel consumption combined (NEDC): 11.6 l/100 km; CO2 emissions combined (NEDC): 264 g/km Fuel consumption combined (WLTP): 14.1 – 13.5 l/100 km; CO2 emissions combined (WLTP): 319 – 307 g/km Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche Aktiengesellschaft 1 of 2 Communications, Sustainability and Politics Porscheplatz 1 Corporate and Product Communications 70435 Stuttgart Ben Weinberger Phone +49 (0)711 911-28724 Email: ben.weinberger@porsche.de Porsche Brand Ambassador tests prototype Walter Röhrl tests new high-performance model in the Cayenne product line Stuttgart/Hockenheim. Walter Röhrl has been putting a still lightly camouflaged prototype of a powerful new Cayenne model through its paces in a tough test of its capabilities. The two-time World Rally Champion and Porsche Brand Ambassador completed numerous test laps in the high-performance SUV on the Grand Prix circuit of the Hockenheimring. In his assessment of its driving dynamics, he described the new Cayenne as a “great leap forward compared to everything that has gone before. This car redefines the meaning of the term SUV”. The sort of performance you expect in a Porsche combined with a high degree of everyday usability and variability – these are the things that the Cayenne has stood for ever since it made its debut in 2002. Especially dynamic highlights in the model's initial years included the first Cayenne Turbo S, which had an outstanding power output for 2006 of 383 kW (521 PS), and the GTS models, which were specifically tuned for sportiness from 2007. “They were off-road vehicles that could be driven like sports cars – a real sensation at the time,” says Röhrl, when looking back at the first Cayenne generation, which had the internal designation 'E1'. With the new model, which is currently undergoing final testing and optimisation as part of development to series production maturity, Porsche aims to underline its claim to best-in-class performance once again. The focus for this derivative has been on exceptional on-road performance with- Press Release 21 May 2021 Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche Aktiengesellschaft 2 of 2 Communications, Sustainability and Politics Porscheplatz 1 Corporate and Product Communications 70435 Stuttgart Ben Weinberger Phone +49 (0)711 911-28724 Email: ben.weinberger@porsche.de out neglecting driving comfort and everyday usability. It is based on the current Cayenne Turbo Coupé, but has been designed and developed even more single-mindedly to provide the ultimate in terms of longitudinal and lateral dynamics. All chassis and control systems tuned for performance Alongside a host of other enhancements for all chassis and control systems, the Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control active roll stabilisation system makes a major contribution to the stable handling of the new Cayenne model with a new, performance-oriented set-up. “The PDCC always keeps the body balanced and level even during very spirited cornering,” explains Porsche test driver Lars Kern, who has accompanied development of the high-performance model right from the start. Its handling is also improved by its comprehensively revamped front axle: “Compared with the Cayenne Turbo Coupé, the front rims are now half an inch wider, and negative camber has been increased by 0.45 degrees in order to provide a larger contact area for the 22-inch sports tyres newly developed especially for this model,” says Kern, who recently invited Walter Röhrl to Hockenheim for the test drives. While the visual highlights of the new Cayenne were still largely hidden under black camouflage, Röhrl was already able to gain an in-depth impression of the outstanding driving dynamics potential of the new Cayenne model. Accompanied by the emotive sound of the new titanium exhaust system, which is equipped with centrally positioned tailpipes, the brand ambassador drove lap after lap on the Hockenheimring and was very impressed afterwards: “The car remains incredibly stable even in fast corners, and its turn-in behaviour is extremely precise. More than ever, you have the feeling that you are sitting in a compact sports car rather than in a large SUV.” Image and film material available in the Porsche Newsroom (newsroom.porsche.com) and the Porsche media database (presse.porsche.de).l[/QUOTE]
I think what is being referred to here in the release is the new Cayenne Turbo Coupe with the engine from the Panamera Turbo S / Titanium Sports Exhaust from Cayenne GTS / PCCB's etc.
Vids out now on Youtube now with W. Rohrl and Lars Kern
It's going to be a beast
^^ Good article. It says the new über-Cayenne will be sold along side the Cayenne Turbo Coupe and that the name will be released closer to the June launch. I'm betting on Cayenne Turbo GT.
My dealer told me (he is quite well informed) that the facelift and the updated engines should come in September next year.
I'm planing to order the GTS, but I'm a bit upset that I would be getting an already obsolete engine. I don't see any sense in taking them 2 years to bring the refreshed Panamera engines to the Cayenne lineup. It just makes the manufacturing more difficult for them...
On the other hand, I suspect they already quietly and unofficially upgraded the engines.
According to a new Motortrend article from just a few days ago, the GTS now goes 0-60 in just 3.8s!
"The Cayenne GTS Coupe reaches 60 mph in only 3.8 seconds in MotorTrend testing, cutting 0.4-0.7 second from Porsche's estimates."
While Turbo does it in 3.2s.
"the Turbo Coupe, which has a 541-hp version of the same V-8 and accelerates to 60 in a stunningly quick 3.2 seconds."
These numbers were considerably higher in all the tests a year ago, so the only logical explanation would be that the engines already got the power bump (it simply makes zero sense for them to put 460ps version in Cayenne and 480ps in Panamera). I hope this is. the case, and I already convinced myself it is, so that I can sleep better
My dealer told me (he is quite well informed) that the facelift and the updated engines should come in September next year.
I'm planing to order the GTS, but I'm a bit upset that I would be getting an already obsolete engine. I don't see any sense in taking them 2 years to bring the refreshed Panamera engines to the Cayenne lineup. It just makes the manufacturing more difficult for them...
On the other hand, I suspect they already quietly and unofficially upgraded the engines.
According to a new Motortrend article from just a few days ago, the GTS now goes 0-60 in just 3.8s!
"The Cayenne GTS Coupe reaches 60 mph in only 3.8 seconds in MotorTrend testing, cutting 0.4-0.7 second from Porsche's estimates."
While Turbo does it in 3.2s.
"the Turbo Coupe, which has a 541-hp version of the same V-8 and accelerates to 60 in a stunningly quick 3.2 seconds."
These numbers were considerably higher in all the tests a year ago, so the only logical explanation would be that the engines already got the power bump (it simply makes zero sense for them to put 460ps version in Cayenne and 480ps in Panamera). I hope this is. the case, and I already convinced myself it is, so that I can sleep better
Personally, I’d be more concerned about optioning the suv right than getting the most powerful engine. If not having max HP is keeping you up at night, maybe get a Turbo S? I’m quite enjoying the power my GTS has on tap. If I could have a do over, I don’t think I’d wait for more power but I’d add PDCC and RWS to the option list.
My dealer told me (he is quite well informed) that the facelift and the updated engines should come in September next year.
I'm planing to order the GTS, but I'm a bit upset that I would be getting an already obsolete engine. I don't see any sense in taking them 2 years to bring the refreshed Panamera engines to the Cayenne lineup. It just makes the manufacturing more difficult for them...
On the other hand, I suspect they already quietly and unofficially upgraded the engines.
According to a new Motortrend article from just a few days ago, the GTS now goes 0-60 in just 3.8s!
"The Cayenne GTS Coupe reaches 60 mph in only 3.8 seconds in MotorTrend testing, cutting 0.4-0.7 second from Porsche's estimates."
While Turbo does it in 3.2s.
"the Turbo Coupe, which has a 541-hp version of the same V-8 and accelerates to 60 in a stunningly quick 3.2 seconds."
These numbers were considerably higher in all the tests a year ago, so the only logical explanation would be that the engines already got the power bump (it simply makes zero sense for them to put 460ps version in Cayenne and 480ps in Panamera). I hope this is. the case, and I already convinced myself it is, so that I can sleep better
you should transfer some of that positive energy to my brain! I wish I could convince myself of certain things that don't exist! lol !
if porsche releases a new engine you can bet on paying a lot more for that model. If you look at the evolution of cars and prices, the newer and more technologically advanced they get, they rob you from simple driving pleasures and ultimately gets more expensive to maintain and fix
