Porsche Invoice Pricing?
05-18-2019, 05:54 PM
#1
Racer
Thread Starter
Porsche Invoice Pricing?
Hello all, new forum member with a question. I am currently a BMW owner, and looking at ordering a 2019 or 2020 Porsche Cayenne E Hybrid. I have not been able to find Porsche invoice pricing anywhere, unlike with BMW or Mercedes Benz. I am a member of a few BMW forums, and dealer invoice pricing is available for all models on there, wondering why this isn't available information on Porsche forums? I like to go into negotiations having a rough idea of invoice pricing, as that tends to get the best deal, and I am at a loss for an idea of average markup right now. I did try to search Rennlist before posting this, so if I missed this info, please help to point me in the correct direction. Thanks!!!
05-18-2019, 09:19 PM
#2
Maybe try Edmunds
05-18-2019, 09:24 PM
#3
Racer
Thread Starter
Nothing on Edmunds, Kelly Blue Book, NADA, or Costco Auto Program. I've Googled, and nothing comes up. I can find invoice pricing for most other makes, it is just odd.
05-18-2019, 11:26 PM
#4
Burning Brakes
On USAA, it shows invoice, MSRP, and average price paid. It’s basically truecar.com. You can always beat the “average paid” number through negotiations. I priced out a Cayenne S: MSRP=$101..2k, Invoice=$76.8k, avg price paid=$98.2k, & $97.5k as “great price”. Cayennes and especially Panameras in my neck of the woods are not moving very fast.
I got 4% off on a 911 GTS order, which was difficult to find an allocation and from what I can gage for a Cayenne that’s on the lot, I’d shoot for 10% off sticker and see how things go. My SA told me that he can give me 6-8% off on a Panamera without even negotiating. I’m sure you know the different tricks of buying a car but I’ve always had very good luck on the last day of end of the quarter.
I got 4% off on a 911 GTS order, which was difficult to find an allocation and from what I can gage for a Cayenne that’s on the lot, I’d shoot for 10% off sticker and see how things go. My SA told me that he can give me 6-8% off on a Panamera without even negotiating. I’m sure you know the different tricks of buying a car but I’ve always had very good luck on the last day of end of the quarter.
05-19-2019, 03:26 AM
#5
I got 8% off my Cayenne Hybrid Order. PM me if you're interested.
05-19-2019, 08:39 PM
#6
05-20-2019, 12:27 PM
#7
On USAA, it shows invoice, MSRP, and average price paid. It’s basically truecar.com. You can always beat the “average paid” number through negotiations. I priced out a Cayenne S: MSRP=$101..2k, Invoice=$76.8k, avg price paid=$98.2k, & $97.5k as “great price”. Cayennes and especially Panameras in my neck of the woods are not moving very fast.
I got 4% off on a 911 GTS order, which was difficult to find an allocation and from what I can gage for a Cayenne that’s on the lot, I’d shoot for 10% off sticker and see how things go. My SA told me that he can give me 6-8% off on a Panamera without even negotiating. I’m sure you know the different tricks of buying a car but I’ve always had very good luck on the last day of end of the quarter.
I got 4% off on a 911 GTS order, which was difficult to find an allocation and from what I can gage for a Cayenne that’s on the lot, I’d shoot for 10% off sticker and see how things go. My SA told me that he can give me 6-8% off on a Panamera without even negotiating. I’m sure you know the different tricks of buying a car but I’ve always had very good luck on the last day of end of the quarter.
Fast forward a couple months to my first service, sales guy sees me in the waiting area. He's like, "You know that your car put me over the target and I got a promotion as a result. You have no idea how big that was for me". So yes, deals to be had at the end of the quarter for sure.
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05-20-2019, 02:28 PM
#8
Burning Brakes
Been there, happened to be a Saturday night on the last day of Sept. a few years back (in Chicago you take those last few really nice days and use them). Had been talking w/ the sales guy and test driven a few different models over a few days prior. I gave them my price, and we left (had 2 really young kids with us at the time) and didn't have the patience to sit there all day going back/forth. A few hours go by, get a call from the manager and asked what it would take to get the deal done. I said I gave you guys our number, we're only off by a couple thousand dollars. He said they couldn't do that, and I said it's nice out we're going to the park with the kids. Get a call half hour later while at the park... "Where are you guys at?", and I'm like... I told the other guy we're done and we took the kids to the park. Needless to say, they said they'd do our price if we came in tonight and signed it. At this point, we're at 7:00pm and the dealership is technically closed (and 35-45 min. drive away). Did the deal, plus they had nobody qualified to check my trade at that point so they gave me $3k more than the other offers I had on it from Carmax and one other place.
Fast forward a couple months to my first service, sales guy sees me in the waiting area. He's like, "You know that your car put me over the target and I got a promotion as a result. You have no idea how big that was for me". So yes, deals to be had at the end of the quarter for sure.
Fast forward a couple months to my first service, sales guy sees me in the waiting area. He's like, "You know that your car put me over the target and I got a promotion as a result. You have no idea how big that was for me". So yes, deals to be had at the end of the quarter for sure.
05-20-2019, 03:40 PM
#9
Burning Brakes
That’s a great story. When our kids were toddlers, we walked into a MB dealership on what happened to be the last day of the quarter, all by accident, and got a deal... Same story....they lost $$$ on my deal, so they said, but achieved their sales goal—win win for all of us.
Invoice price means NOTHING relative to what a dealership pays for a car. But it's a fun thing for them to trot out to make customers feel good about a deal. I bought four Infinitis from the same local dealer over the years. Each time, they pulled out the invoice price and told me what a great deal I was getting -- always below, and usually substantially.
Cute. Show me the check you cut to pay the PO for the car. If you sold me the car for less than that number, I'll be mighty impressed (and think Mr. Dealer is mighty foolish).
Nonetheless, sounds like you did good on your deal.
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05-20-2019, 06:31 PM
#10
Three Wheelin'
Guarantee they didn't lose money on the car. With various marketing allowances, dealer holdbacks, etc. they made money on your transaction, and achieved their sales goals. Show me a dealer that sells a car for less than they actually paid for it in the end, and I'll show you a dealer that'll be out of business in short order.
Invoice price means NOTHING relative to what a dealership pays for a car. But it's a fun thing for them to trot out to make customers feel good about a deal. I bought four Infinitis from the same local dealer over the years. Each time, they pulled out the invoice price and told me what a great deal I was getting -- always below, and usually substantially.
Cute. Show me the check you cut to pay the PO for the car. If you sold me the car for less than that number, I'll be mighty impressed (and think Mr. Dealer is mighty foolish).
Nonetheless, sounds like you did good on your deal.
Invoice price means NOTHING relative to what a dealership pays for a car. But it's a fun thing for them to trot out to make customers feel good about a deal. I bought four Infinitis from the same local dealer over the years. Each time, they pulled out the invoice price and told me what a great deal I was getting -- always below, and usually substantially.
Cute. Show me the check you cut to pay the PO for the car. If you sold me the car for less than that number, I'll be mighty impressed (and think Mr. Dealer is mighty foolish).
Nonetheless, sounds like you did good on your deal.
Yeah, I agree. And like a true car ***** I have bought a boatload of high-end cars. There are holdbacks, rebates, incentives and even "money in the trunk" on certain models, year, or even colors. And you may not even know about it. Dealers are in business, and they make money. They don't lose it, or they'll fire the FI guy faster than you can say "cat-in-a-hat". Catching a dealer, at just the right time on a particular model can mean the difference between a small discount, and a large one, relatively speaking of course.
05-21-2019, 03:09 AM
#11
Burning Brakes
Guarantee they didn't lose money on the car. With various marketing allowances, dealer holdbacks, etc. they made money on your transaction, and achieved their sales goals. Show me a dealer that sells a car for less than they actually paid for it in the end, and I'll show you a dealer that'll be out of business in short order.
Invoice price means NOTHING relative to what a dealership pays for a car. But it's a fun thing for them to trot out to make customers feel good about a deal. I bought four Infinitis from the same local dealer over the years. Each time, they pulled out the invoice price and told me what a great deal I was getting -- always below, and usually substantially.
Cute. Show me the check you cut to pay the PO for the car. If you sold me the car for less than that number, I'll be mighty impressed (and think Mr. Dealer is mighty foolish).
Nonetheless, sounds like you did good on your deal.
Invoice price means NOTHING relative to what a dealership pays for a car. But it's a fun thing for them to trot out to make customers feel good about a deal. I bought four Infinitis from the same local dealer over the years. Each time, they pulled out the invoice price and told me what a great deal I was getting -- always below, and usually substantially.
Cute. Show me the check you cut to pay the PO for the car. If you sold me the car for less than that number, I'll be mighty impressed (and think Mr. Dealer is mighty foolish).
Nonetheless, sounds like you did good on your deal.
Yeah, I agree. And like a true car ***** I have bought a boatload of high-end cars. There are holdbacks, rebates, incentives and even "money in the trunk" on certain models, year, or even colors. And you may not even know about it. Dealers are in business, and they make money. They don't lose it, or they'll fire the FI guy faster than you can say "cat-in-a-hat". Catching a dealer, at just the right time on a particular model can mean the difference between a small discount, and a large one, relatively speaking of course.
05-21-2019, 02:20 PM
#12
05-21-2019, 04:25 PM
#13
Guarantee they didn't lose money on the car. With various marketing allowances, dealer holdbacks, etc. they made money on your transaction, and achieved their sales goals. Show me a dealer that sells a car for less than they actually paid for it in the end, and I'll show you a dealer that'll be out of business in short order.
Invoice price means NOTHING relative to what a dealership pays for a car. But it's a fun thing for them to trot out to make customers feel good about a deal. I bought four Infinitis from the same local dealer over the years. Each time, they pulled out the invoice price and told me what a great deal I was getting -- always below, and usually substantially.
Cute. Show me the check you cut to pay the PO for the car. If you sold me the car for less than that number, I'll be mighty impressed (and think Mr. Dealer is mighty foolish).
Nonetheless, sounds like you did good on your deal.
Invoice price means NOTHING relative to what a dealership pays for a car. But it's a fun thing for them to trot out to make customers feel good about a deal. I bought four Infinitis from the same local dealer over the years. Each time, they pulled out the invoice price and told me what a great deal I was getting -- always below, and usually substantially.
Cute. Show me the check you cut to pay the PO for the car. If you sold me the car for less than that number, I'll be mighty impressed (and think Mr. Dealer is mighty foolish).
Nonetheless, sounds like you did good on your deal.
05-23-2019, 12:10 AM
#14
I think dealers get Cayennes and Panameras around 12% under MSRP, plus whatever else is in the trunk lol. If anyone wants a deal near 7% for any trim Cayenne, PM me and I'll put you in touch.
05-23-2019, 08:24 PM
#15
Maybe 12% on the price without options. The markup on each option is much more than 12%.