If, IF there is a Gen2 3.0L buyback, what will you get?
10-17-2017, 05:56 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by skiahh
More likely pressure from the RAM 1500 with its 3.0l diesel. And rumors of an impending Chevy 1500 and even Colorado) diesel option. And possibly even the upcoming Jeep pickup with its diesel.
The Nissan is somewhere between the 1500 and 2500 vehicles. More capability than a half ton, less than a 3/4. I'm sure there are common buyers, but I'd guess it's the other pure half ton diesel options that Ford feels pressure from.
I suspect that the Nissan draws interest from those considering the 3/4 ton trucks. If I was looking to replace my Ram 2500/Cummins, I'd start looking at that Nissan for sure!
The Nissan is somewhere between the 1500 and 2500 vehicles. More capability than a half ton, less than a 3/4. I'm sure there are common buyers, but I'd guess it's the other pure half ton diesel options that Ford feels pressure from.
I suspect that the Nissan draws interest from those considering the 3/4 ton trucks. If I was looking to replace my Ram 2500/Cummins, I'd start looking at that Nissan for sure!
10-17-2017, 06:15 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by gnat
I've only ever really heard 2 complaints of the VR6 in the Cayenne. One is that the transmissions seems to "hunt" more in it where it just can't seem to find they right gear. I didn't really experience that, but I may have not given it that option 
The second is that it is under powered. From my experience, however, those that complain about the power were mostly those that had driven the bigger engines or wanted the bigger engines. It won't win many races, but it doesn't seem to be a push over by any stretch. I does seem to have a lot of drama when you want to accelerate (kicking down multiple gears, lots of noise, etc..) though. That's what I like in the diesel over it. No drama, just go often without so much as a downshift.I wish I had gotten the 18s for the increased bolsters, but I certainly have no complaints with the 14s. I almost cut them to squeeze in full leather, definitely glad I didn't.
The second is that it is under powered. From my experience, however, those that complain about the power were mostly those that had driven the bigger engines or wanted the bigger engines. It won't win many races, but it doesn't seem to be a push over by any stretch. I does seem to have a lot of drama when you want to accelerate (kicking down multiple gears, lots of noise, etc..) though. That's what I like in the diesel over it. No drama, just go often without so much as a downshift.I wish I had gotten the 18s for the increased bolsters, but I certainly have no complaints with the 14s. I almost cut them to squeeze in full leather, definitely glad I didn't.
I hate that engine combo. And FWIW, I daily drove a second gen MDX with a 300 HP V6 and a 5 speed auto. That had more get up and go than a base Cayenne, IMO.
10-17-2017, 06:47 PM
#33
VAG said never. There is another ratcheting of the emissions standards due in 2022 I think it is. VAG said it was already going to be too difficult to meet those so it wasn't worth bringing any more TDIs over in the meantime.
It wouldn't surprise me that if the non-TDI diesel market survives (especially after the next round of regs) that VAG would bring some diesels back. I wouldn't expect to see them in Porsches again though since that was a niche market to begin with (though we do seem to be vocal about our love for it).
It wouldn't surprise me that if the non-TDI diesel market survives (especially after the next round of regs) that VAG would bring some diesels back. I wouldn't expect to see them in Porsches again though since that was a niche market to begin with (though we do seem to be vocal about our love for it).
10-17-2017, 06:53 PM
#34
I hate that engine combo.
I do, however, see how if the base is all you know that you could question the "Porsche experience" though. It's capable and still an excellent vehicle, but there is definitely more that can be had.
10-17-2017, 10:34 PM
#35
Burning Brakes
I guess pretty easy...a high mileage 2008 'S' for around $15k. But i would miss so much the low end torque and wonderful 34mpg. Hopefully I could find one with all the needed fixes for 2008.
10-18-2017, 12:16 AM
#36
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Chevy already sells Colorado with the 4 pot diesel. Ram can no longer sell their pickup with the fiat diesel. I thought Nissan's Cummins diesel is not like the Cummins of the old. Jeep had the old Mercedes OM642 in 07-08 but have since replaced it with the Fiat diesel in their GCs in the past few years. That is no longer for sale like Ram.
10-18-2017, 08:04 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by skiahh
Incorrect. Fiat got approval for their diesels and they are back in business again.
There is no global warming. Some solution will be reached because there are no resources to answer otherwise by the EPA.
10-18-2017, 11:11 AM
#38
Please refer to the main scandal thread for discussions about the case itself. That subject has been beat to death there and doesn't need to be rehashed in other threads...
10-18-2017, 11:34 AM
#39
Burning Brakes
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You don't like a thread or post, don't read, it is that simple.
Back one year ago, there were many who didn't think a Gen1 3.0L buyback would happen, then in 02/2017, the buyback was approved and all the Gen1 3.0L owners won the lottery. Some are hoping for a Gen2 3.0L lottery win and thinking out loud about what they'd get if it did/does happen. Shoot, I think about what to get next anyway. It's also known as daydreaming.
I think of the Gen3 Base Cayenne or the S, and would like to see how the F-150 will do with their 3.0L diesel but would not want to be one of the first owners/adopters of the motor unless it is taken from something else and put in the F-150.
10-18-2017, 12:33 PM
#40
Three Wheelin'
Chevy already sells Colorado with the 4 pot diesel. Ram can no longer sell their pickup with the fiat diesel. I thought Nissan's Cummins diesel is not like the Cummins of the old. Jeep had the old Mercedes OM642 in 07-08 but have since replaced it with the Fiat diesel in their GCs in the past few years. That is no longer for sale like Ram.
10-18-2017, 02:05 PM
#41
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Which is why it puts in between the 1500s and 2500s. According to C&D, it's technically a 3/4 ton based on GVWR. But it's at the very low end of that category. When compared with 1500s (or 150s for the Ford crowd 
), it's way above the capability, so, like I said, sitting squarely between the two.
Some 2500 buyers will consider it in their purchase choices (I would, if I had to replace mine) while, I think, anyway, many more 1500 buyers will include it in their comparisons as it offers more capability than the typical 1500; even (especially?) the new 3.0l diesel variants.
), it's way above the capability, so, like I said, sitting squarely between the two.Some 2500 buyers will consider it in their purchase choices (I would, if I had to replace mine) while, I think, anyway, many more 1500 buyers will include it in their comparisons as it offers more capability than the typical 1500; even (especially?) the new 3.0l diesel variants.