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Ditto! I'm biased with my TT but have never driven the GTS
Originally Posted by deilenberger
This is one of those - if you have a turbo - you love it. If you have a GTS you love it. Different cars for different folks. I'd suggest the OP drive both and make up their own mind. Note that no one has actually answered his nicely numbered questions.
Do you have any concerns about the differential in gas mileage between the two models?
958.1's (which he's talking about) are rated the same mileage-wise with the turbo at 22mpg freeway versus 21 of the GTS (basically the same). City and average are the same at 17 and 15 respectively.
1:From what i understand GTS and Turbo have identical body kits. Why do they look so different? is it because GTS kit is painted? GTS looks mean to me and i love it especially in White with tinted lights and dark rims.
Body kits are not identical between turbo and GTS; they are between TurboS and GTS. Yes the GTS has painted trim, but versus a regular turbo they have different side skirts, extended wheel arches, different rear bumper fascia, bilevel rear wing, black surround headlights. If you like the GTS look, but want the brute power of the Turbo, get a TurboS Cayenne.
2: Is GTS lower than Turbo? If so, lowering the turbo by 20mm will it really be that big of comfort hit as i've read where many people say "the harsh ride was too much i raised it back up"?
Yes, GTS is lower. I notice no difference when a 958.1 turbo is in low mode on the street or highway. You might be reading of people with 955 or 957 cayennes who use Durametric to lower their cayennes beyond the factory settings and find the handling is adversely affected.
3. Does GTS have different transmission programming for quicker response than the Turbo? i know GTS has different programming and gearing than Cayenne S..... is turbo same as GTS or as S?
The transmission gearing is the same between turbo and GTS, but the front and rear final drive ratios are different than a turbo.
4: To me GTS a little more unique and a "cool". Am i just reliving my teenage years here and there is really no big intangible difference?
I believe that the sport design body kit is not standard on the Turbo S but rather an option.
Major differences between the Turbo and the Turbo S are that the Turbo S comes standard with; PDCC, PTV, carbon fiber interior bits, embossed Porsche logo in headrests and the extra HP.
I may be missing something but I think these are the main differences.
I believe that the sport design body kit is not standard on the Turbo S but rather an option.
Major differences between the Turbo and the Turbo S are that the Turbo S comes standard with; PDCC, PTV, carbon fiber interior bits, embossed Porsche logo in headrests and the extra HP.
I may be missing something but I think these are the main differences.
Body and features
Sporty and discreet appearance
Subtle but unmistakable styling changes clearly identify the new Cayenne Turbo S as the flagship Porsche SUV. Widened wheel arches and a roof spoiler, both painted in body color, are among the more prominent features. Exhaust exits through twin dual-outlet tailpipes.
Some exterior trim is painted in gloss black, such as the entire air intake grille including the fins, and the lower shell and mirror arms. Also painted gloss black are the inside of the standard 21-inch 911 Turbo II wheels with a full-color Porsche crest.
Porsche offers numerous options to customize the appearance of the new Cayenne Turbo S. These include darkened LED tail lights with an adaptive brake light, a black high-gloss ex- terior package, stainless steel front and rear panels, and sill protection in aluminium.
Body and features
Sporty and discreet appearance
Subtle but unmistakable styling changes clearly identify the new Cayenne Turbo S as the flagship Porsche SUV. Widened wheel arches and a roof spoiler, both painted in body color, are among the more prominent features. Exhaust exits through twin dual-outlet tailpipes.
Some exterior trim is painted in gloss black, such as the entire air intake grille including the fins, and the lower shell and mirror arms. Also painted gloss black are the inside of the standard 21-inch 911 Turbo II wheels with a full-color Porsche crest.
Porsche offers numerous options to customize the appearance of the new Cayenne Turbo S. These include darkened LED tail lights with an adaptive brake light, a black high-gloss ex- terior package, stainless steel front and rear panels, and sill protection in aluminium.
I think that's just marketing mumbo jumbo. Here is a copy and paste from this care for sale:
Notice in the options "sport design package w/side skirts is listed".
Options
21" 911 Turbo Design Wheels4-zone Climate Control8-speed Tiptronic SAdaptive Sport Seats (18-way) with Memory PackageBurmester® High-End Surround Sound SystemDark Walnut Interior Package incl. Gear SelectorExterior Package in Black (High-Gloss)Instruments Dials in WhiteLane Departure Warning (LDW) with Lane Change Assist (LCA)
Online ServicesParkAssist (Front and Rear) with Surround ViewPremium Package PlusSeat Belts in Saddle BrownSeat Ventilation (Front and Rear)Soft Close DoorsSportDesign Package with Side SkirtsTinted LED TaillightsUpper Dash Dial in White
Picture of another Turbo S for sale...no sport design kit.
Thank you all for chiming in, much appreciated.
I drove both and unfortunately a short test drive was not enough to make up my mind. The GTS did feel a tad stiffer and not as wobbly around the corners, exhaust sounds awesome when flooring it but overall power is a touch underwhelming. Turbo has a good punch but just feels like a regular cruiser.
Now i know its a freaking SUV and not my old Carrera but if i have to get this caliber of a vehicle for now i think i would enjoy the GTS a touch more for its similarity to Carrera in that raw feeling department.
Going to try and see if i can get more test drive time.
I have a 2009 GTS with PDCC and love it. My only issue with the car are the 21" wheels that come standard one the GTS. I found the 21's too harsh for longer drives and switched to 20's for comfort and better tire choice. PDCC makes the car much more fun to drive.
I have a 2009 GTS with PDCC and love it. My only issue with the car are the 21" wheels that come standard one the GTS. I found the 21's too harsh for longer drives and switched to 20's for comfort and better tire choice. PDCC makes the car much more fun to drive.
Having recently driven both a Cayenne S (without PDCC) and a Turbo S (with PDCC) on the PEC Atltanta track I can't say the PDCC made a big enough difference to make it worth the added expense and eventual service requirements. Thus I didn't bother adding it to my new '17 GTS. The thing is absolutely planted in all kinds of driving conditions I'm going to use it. Folks that have PDCC insist it's fantastic. I'm unconvinced and not bothered having left it out. If you like it, great, if not, likewise.
But back to the GTS vs Turbo, likewise when testing them the Turbo certainly had more low-end push. But at-speed downshifts (like for lane changes) actually seem to feel smoother in the GTS. More controlled application of power, not the same kind of down-shifting and grunt from the V8's torque. There's nothing about the GTS's ability to 'bring it' that'll come close to letting you down in regular traffic conditions. That and the cost difference when new made it easy to chose the GTS over the Turbo or Turbo S.
As for ride height and comfort, I did go with the PASM option. I typically drive it around in the low setting. Unless I'm really flogging it I don't notice a lot of difference in ride comfort switching between Comfort, Sport and Sport Plus modes. Oh, you can tell something's different but Comfort mode doesn't turn it into a Cadillac-like rolling cloud, nor does Sport Plus turn into a track car.
The Sport Exhaust option, the 'fun button' is nice. The rumbles, ah, that noise!
Sport/Sport Plus mode adjusts a whole bunch of things and you definitely notice it. It's just 'edgier' all around. Though probably just a bit annoying if you're stuck in heavy traffic. That 'on edge' feeling of holding higher shift points and twitchier throttle response probably invites more stress than traffic would allow venting. Once the road opens up, though... it's fun.
In GTS or higher trim, any of the modes, though, are still miles ahead of any other SUV you're likely to find on the road.
Having recently driven both a Cayenne S (without PDCC) and a Turbo S (with PDCC) on the PEC Atltanta track I can't say the PDCC made a big enough difference to make it worth the added expense and eventual service requirements. Thus I didn't bother adding it to my new '17 GTS. The thing is absolutely planted in all kinds of driving conditions I'm going to use it. Folks that have PDCC insist it's fantastic. I'm unconvinced and not bothered having left it out. If you like it, great, if not, likewise.
But back to the GTS vs Turbo, likewise when testing them the Turbo certainly had more low-end push. But at-speed downshifts (like for lane changes) actually seem to feel smoother in the GTS. More controlled application of power, not the same kind of down-shifting and grunt from the V8's torque. There's nothing about the GTS's ability to 'bring it' that'll come close to letting you down in regular traffic conditions. That and the cost difference when new made it easy to chose the GTS over the Turbo or Turbo S.
As for ride height and comfort, I did go with the PASM option. I typically drive it around in the low setting. Unless I'm really flogging it I don't notice a lot of difference in ride comfort switching between Comfort, Sport and Sport Plus modes. Oh, you can tell something's different but Comfort mode doesn't turn it into a Cadillac-like rolling cloud, nor does Sport Plus turn into a track car.
The Sport Exhaust option, the 'fun button' is nice. The rumbles, ah, that noise!
Sport/Sport Plus mode adjusts a whole bunch of things and you definitely notice it. It's just 'edgier' all around. Though probably just a bit annoying if you're stuck in heavy traffic. That 'on edge' feeling of holding higher shift points and twitchier throttle response probably invites more stress than traffic would allow venting. Once the road opens up, though... it's fun.
In GTS or higher trim, any of the modes, though, are still miles ahead of any other SUV you're likely to find on the road.
My wife wanted the GTS but I wanted the Turbo vs the GTS after driving both, mainly for power reasons.... selfish. She wanted the GTS for the great exhaust sound and darker wheels.
Add an exhaust, change the wheel color, throw some lowering links moderately set on the Turbo and she pretends she has a GTS and I have +100hp.....win win
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Was going to toss it but stuck it on a shelf instead.
