I don't think i'd consider a new turbo either. For the price i'd add the options I do want to the S, then wait for GIAC to release their ECU tunes and do a few other upgrades when they are available. I expect the tuners are going to pull pretty good power out of these little 6s and the gap between the S and TT will be much smaller and you'll still have cash in your pocket.

 

The gap was never that big. However, if you were someone who wanted all of the features that the GTS came with as standard (air suspension, 20" wheels, sport-design body kit, sport exhaust etc.), it actually was a good deal compared to a simialrly optioned S, with the added benefit of the turbo style front end and the +20 HP. If you did not desire an option package very similar to what the GTS offered, than the deal was not so compelling.

The style gap is narrower since the visual difference between the S and turbo is less with the facelift. However, the turbo still does look that bit better...

 

I currently own 3 P cars, ..but such news just make me sure, that ..this number is going to shrink.
Porsche people seems to understand NOTHING about their customers.
(Since VW bought them.)
If you want to save on gas and taxes, ..your are NOT going to buy a P car.
They SIMPLY are missing the target, big time.
..This is just like hoping to impress people and trying to win Le Mans ..with a 4 cylinders. (The 919 ..that is nothing else than a kind of riced up Prius to my eyes.)
All the signs that shows the end of the P era, bye bye !

 

Perhaps you should read up on the CAFE standards. Porsche must do what it needs to do to meet them to be able to sell cars, at least in the U.S.

 

I understand that and agree with you. According to fueleconomy.gov the 2015 Cayenne S is rated 17/20/24 mpg city/average/hwy. The average virtually matches my actual average fuel economy over 30,000 miles in in my 2011 Cayenne S which has a v8 engine. When comparing the two models on the site, the averages are the 17/20/24 for the 2015 and 16/18/22 for the 2011. So a slight improvement for the 2015 statistically even though my actual experience with a lot of urban driving is on top of the 2015 average.

The Porsche USA website still shows fuel economy for the 2015 Cayenne S as "n/a".

If anyone can share actual fuel economy experienced with the 2015 Cayenne S I would appreciate it.

Porsche is doing right by the regulations. However I (and I suspect other) enthusiasts will miss the v8, and I do think there is a non-turbo market for a v8 Cayenne. That should have been the 2015 Cayenne GTS.

 

To me GTS is a warm climate SUV. Geared to performance on good roads. Not that there is anything wrong with that but not skewed to the direction I need here in Minnesota for winter driving. The great things about these cars is the wide range of performance they have. Even though they all have a wide range the different models and options allow us to customize them further. I would have bought one off the lot hut couldn't find one with roof racks, trailer hitch, heated wheel, air susp.,PTV,PDCC.
Not many wanted one like that and not turbo.

 

I live in CT and don't see the GTS as just a warm climate SUV. Like most performance vehicles you just need to have a winter set of wheels and tires. I just installed my 20 inch winter wheels on my 2014 GTS.

 

May be I'm not clever enough, but, I should say that the CAFE rules are quite hard to be read for me.
Is the Cayenne at risk to be "outside" the envelope, with the models mix for the years to come ?
I understand that "light trucks", with 4WD are in better shape than 2WDs !
Also, I understand that the wheel base and width (surface) is in the accounting.

I have real hard ways to foresee that the GTS with the EXTREMELY efficient V8 4.8 DFI engine would represent a CAFE problem for Porsche !
Or, do I miss something else ???

Can you make the proof with numbers, as it seems that you are CAFE fluent.
I would be happy to read more from your understanding, thanks in advance.

Or, ..shall we also expect that Ford will soon no longer sell F150 with V8 engines ??? (Or, may be, the "CAFE surface" of that truck is such, ..that it "saved" the V8 ?)

May be I can add some text about CAFE from Wikipedia :

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Low penalty

For example, in 25 years, from 1983 to 2008, Mercedes-Benz paid penalties 21 times and BMW paid penalties 20 times. [89]

Currently, the CAFE penalty is $55 USD per vehicle for every 1 mpg under the standard. For the year 2006 Mercedes-Benz drew a $30.3 million penalty for violating fuel economy standards by 2.2 MPG,[89] or $122 per vehicle.[90] According to the government "fueleconomy.gov" website violating CAFE by 2.42 MPG means consuming extra 27 barrels (4.3 m3) (1,134 US gallons (4,290 L)) of mostly imported fuel in 10 years which is worth $3,490 (Based on 45% highway, 55% city driving, 15,000 annual miles and a fuel price of $2.95 per gallon) that is 13.4% more and also it means emitting extra 14 Tons of CO2 in 10 years that is 12.7% more. These numbers are based on comparison of 2010 Mercedes ML 350 4MATIC with CAFE Unadjusted Average Fuel Economy of 21.64 MPG (this model meets 2006 CAFE requirements of 21.6 MPG) and 2010 Mercedes ML 550 4MATIC with CAFE Unadjusted Average Fuel Economy of 19.22 MPG.[91] So consuming extra $3,490 worth of mostly imported fuel and emitting extra 14 Tons of CO2 draws a penalty of only $122 for a single luxury car buyer. $122 is only 0.3% of the price of $40,000 car (average 2010 price of a luxury car). Several experts stated that this is not enough of a monetary incentive to comply with CAFE.[88]

CAFE penalty have increased only 10% since 1983, while cumulative inflation was 119%.[88] Thus, the CAFE penalty in 2010 is actually less than half of what it was in 1983. NHTSA officials stated that in addition to the authority the Federal Civil Penalties Inflation Adjustment Act of 1990 under the EPCA, the NHTSA has the authority to raise CAFE penalties to $100 per mpg shortfall.[88] However, the NHTSA currently does not exercise this authority.

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Do you REALLY understand it as this will "REFRAIN" to sell cars in the USA ???
My understanding was that CAFE will taxes thoses the one that are over in MPG !
So is my question : if a car like a GTS would cost 1'000 bucks more because of CAFE, would it be really a "problem" ?

 

A GTS with a smaller turbo charged motor. How sad ? I'm glad I still have my '13 with only 8k miles. She's a keeper.

 

yup, the V8 will be missed

 

I see it the other way. Porsche has never been about large displacement, and they don't have to impress people with big motors when they can get the same (or better) performance out of a smaller engine with boost.

 

I agree that if you have a GTS with summer tires which is optimum then putting winter tires on makes it a great vehicle. My problem was I'm already doing that with my 997.
I just don't have room to store more tires. I will use my Cayenne more like a truck and bad weather vehicle. If the weather is dry and the roads clear I'll drive my 997.
Or if I need to carry more passengers or things.

 

I'm not sure you got it.
In the past, the brand was performance oriented.
Now, it is a pure $$$ driven.
Good for the shareholders, but IMO, not good anymore for the customers.
Currently I own two V8 and one flat6, and I strongly feel that I will NOT update to any V6 Cayenne nor any V6 Panamera, just NO envy at all.

 

I still disagree with you. I don't think your average Porsche customer has ever been swayed by the size of the engine. Porsche would have never gotten off the ground selling a 4-cylinder 356 if large engines were what people really cared about. There were many other manufacturers offering larger engines with more horsepower.
I disagree that the brand is no longer performance oriented. The new vehicles still perform, and typically perform better than the older ones. Is it $$$ driven? Sure. Any successful business has to be to some degree.