Originally Posted by akillian24

Thank you! I'm going to run CIO thru DH as a possible option. Historically DH won't consider used cars even though he'll be the first to say it's not a logical mindset.

Originally Posted by Hammer911

Could this possibly be the first recorded use of DH (dear hubby) on a Porsche forum?

Originally Posted by RESP

Definitely get the European Delivery.
The experience is worth so much more than we can describe.

Originally Posted by gnat

I started off looking at the V6 958 but was thrilled when the diesel hit our shores in the middle of my search and jumped on it. I've wanted to switch to diesel for awhile as I believe it is a more realistic short-term solution to the ecological impact of cars than hybrids or pure EVs. As far as how it is in city driving, you won't see into the 30s like some of us talk about but you'll still get low to mid 20s depending on your driving style. The lowest I've had the MFD tell me (it's really optimistic) is 22 when I got stuck in DC traffic for an hour (~10 miles) which probably was really in the 19-20 range. Regardless it's always going to be better than the V6.

I'm a bit of a metrics geek so I've been tracking my MPG based on the reported miles and what the pump says. I also do a calculation of how it stacks up against the V6 (based on the EPA estimates between the two and then calculated against my real world numbers) and was seeing $15-$25 savings for the same distance. I added the Blue Spark Pro + Boost control and that savings has doubled. The savings varies based on the price of diesel vs premium of course, but over all over the 10k I've done so far I've "saved" enough to cover the cost of both my 5k oil change and the BSP.

Another advantage of the diesel over the V6 (or V8) is that it is a turbo. That means (as I touched on above) there are cheap tuning options to get more power and fuel economy out of it if you were so inclined.

Regardless of the model you get, there is a lot of money to be saved by having your service done by an Indy shop instead of the dealer (assuming you can't take care of it yourself). What dealers want for an oil change on these is obscene and there is no justification for it (I have 5 local dealers that range from 425 to 675 for oil change service, I did it myself for less than $100 and others have reported similar costs by taking the oil and filter to an Indy (or even a VW dealer)).

I'm not big on leases, but from what I gather Porsche has some of the worst penalties and residuals in the sub-100k market.

As others have mentioned, depreciation was a killer on the 955s and 957s. So far (with some exceptions) the 958s in general still seems to be holding their value, but I expect a hit next year with the updated 2015s. Something else to consider is that in other makes the diesel variants tend to hold the value a bit better.

There are two options I highly suggest. The first is the two package which while you can add it after the fact, it's much cheaper to get it installed from the factory. The second is the roof rails as these can not be added after the fact and using the after market "gutter mount" systems only allow about half the weight that the factory system does. I'm also big fan of the Xenon HIDs over the Halogens.

My spec was:
Blue exterior
Black partial leather interior
Premium Package (parking sensors, PCM, 14-way seats, moon roof, Xenons, heated seats)
Rear sunblinds
tow package
roof rails
black exterior package
heated multifunction steering wheel (part of premium?)
Servtronic/Power Steering Plus
Model designation delete (removes "Cayenne" from the rear and "diesel" on the sides)

It's also in the shop right now for some work and I'm swapping in the black headlights and taillights which are factory options (and much cheaper than doing it after the fact).

Edit: Oh yeah, if you buy/lease a new one and have it built to your spec, you can do a European delivery. Most dealers won't give you any kind of discount on the car (Porsche makes them pay the option fee that used to get passed onto the customers), but everyone that does it swears it's the best thing they've done (I talked myself out of it for a few more options within my budget).

Originally Posted by hahnmgh63

I would say go for a Turbo but I'm biased. If not the Turbo then the Diesel for the Torque. Why would you say that Mx costs are higher on the Diesel?

Originally Posted by HOiYA

I just got 2.13% from Bank of America last week, which the dealer then matched.

Originally Posted by tgavem

Sorry to tell you the sales tax credit for Texas expired Dec 31 :-( for people receiving W2's
It was a temporary credit that Bush put in place since we don't have a state income tax we can deduct on our federal return.

Originally Posted by DWC in Sedona

If you're miles will be mostly in town, and with the premium you'll pay for diesel fuel over gas, consider the extra cost of the diesel option carefully. Don't overlook Porsche-certified used Cayennes.

Originally Posted by grohgreg

80% city driving? Definitely go diesel. That's a 4800# vehicle, before even counting 26 gallons of fuel, driver, passengers, groceries, cargo. Plus the smallest tires available are 10" wide, which adds to both wind resistance and rolling resistance.

Regarding the price of fuel; where I do most of my driving, there is no appreciable price difference between #2 diesel and premium gasoline. In fact - in some parts of Chicago - I've found diesel selling even cheaper than regular. Yes, even the V6 requires premium unleaded. I had to top up the tank before returning a base V6 loaner , and found a "use 93 octane" sticker inside the fuel filler door. On a car like this you don't consider price per gallon as much as you do fuel cost per mile. By way of example, I can get over 800 (highway) miles per tank out mine. Admittedly, I don't do much metro driving (maybe 10%). But when I do, it's never been under 20 mpg. You simply can't do that with any of the gasoline engined Cayennes.

I've lost track of how many owners report disabling the engine Stop/Start "feature" on the gasoline models, stating the meager fuel saving is not worth the simple annoyance factor. I think Porsche simply pulled that out of the VW parts bin without giving it their own engineering tweaks.

And 3% financing sounds bad to me. I initially got 1.79% through the dealer, then refinanced it some months later for 1.49% (yes, Navy Federal).

Drive both the base V6 and the diesel before you place your order. The results should pretty much solidify your ultimate choice.

//greg//

Originally Posted by AdMan21

I love heated stuff.

Originally Posted by akillian24

Ha, Ha! I have no idea what we'll do with the heated stuff 10 months out of the year being that it's so warm here

Originally Posted by akillian24

Anyone have any idea how much wiggle room would be in the MSRP of a Cayenne this time of year? I'm not looking for a 0 deal per say, but fair.

Originally Posted by 67bmer

not sure about the new-fangled diesels, but in the "old days" when I was growing up (i.e. 1979 mercedes 240d) there was almost no maintenance! oil, oil filter, air filter, brake pads, tires, a couple of batteries in >250,000 miles. that was it!!!