Water pump R&R on base Cayenne
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Water pump R&R on base Cayenne
Anybody replaced the water pump on a 2004-2007 Base (V6) Cayenne? Just wondering if it is difficult? Is there a DIY tutorial someplace?
Thanks,
rlt
Thanks,
rlt
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Rob, I've not done a water pump on a V6 but did do it on my '06 S which wasn't challenging at all.
I would look at setting up a PIWIS - TIS (Porsche Integrated Workshop Information System - Technical Information Service) account, $10 a pop to get the Porsche info on your DIY.
PIWIS - TIS site
** One thing I would HIGHLY encourage is make sure you view the System Requirements and click on "Browser Info" (upper right corner of System Requirements page) before you set up your account to make sure you can view the drawings in the documents. Much of the requirements are for outdated apps/add-ons and it doesn't work with browsers like Firefox but Porsche is way behind the times and needs these add-ons to work.
Syatem Requirements
I can't download/print these from my Mac, I have to use my Windoz laptop and even have to use IE when I do this, otherwise all I get is the verbiage w/out the pics.
Other than those outdated browser requirements the PIWIS - TIS seytem is very handy, I think they charge about $1.80 per document to print (you print it on your printer, it will have a watermark with your account info so if they find you sharing the documents they'll shut down your account.
BTW, when's the next Driver book coming out? The first one was great, loved it.
I would look at setting up a PIWIS - TIS (Porsche Integrated Workshop Information System - Technical Information Service) account, $10 a pop to get the Porsche info on your DIY.
PIWIS - TIS site
** One thing I would HIGHLY encourage is make sure you view the System Requirements and click on "Browser Info" (upper right corner of System Requirements page) before you set up your account to make sure you can view the drawings in the documents. Much of the requirements are for outdated apps/add-ons and it doesn't work with browsers like Firefox but Porsche is way behind the times and needs these add-ons to work.
Syatem Requirements
I can't download/print these from my Mac, I have to use my Windoz laptop and even have to use IE when I do this, otherwise all I get is the verbiage w/out the pics.
Other than those outdated browser requirements the PIWIS - TIS seytem is very handy, I think they charge about $1.80 per document to print (you print it on your printer, it will have a watermark with your account info so if they find you sharing the documents they'll shut down your account.
BTW, when's the next Driver book coming out? The first one was great, loved it.
Last edited by Slow Guy; 10-21-2013 at 11:08 PM.
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Go back to the registration page and at the bottom is a small link for "other countries". Follow that and then you'll be able to register a US based account
Rather than physically print them I found a free PDF print driver so I can save them for future reference (you pay for access for your current session).
I too am a Mac user so I use VirtualBox to run Windows in a VM.
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Rob, PIWIS has a WM (Workshop Manual) document called "Removing and installing Coolant Pump", that's the one I would start with.
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Found this after googling.....
This forum is a little light of DIYs so I thought I’d document the water pump R&R my buddy and I did today on my ’05 Cayenne S. The old pump was rattling at ~80K miles, and I figured it better to replace before it totally let go.
I dropped the car at his house while I went to pick up the pump and meet a guy for a lunch meeting. When I got back to his place an hour-and-a-half later he had already removed the front splash guard, drained about a gallon-and-a-half of coolant into a bucket, and removed the water pump. Pretty nice.
All work can be done on level ground. Best idea is to start with a cool engine, for obvious reasons. Tools/supplies needed include torx sockets and bits, a 24mm open-end wrench, ratchet and 3” extension, medium phillips and standard screwdrivers, large wrench (22 to 24mm or adjustable wrench) for the belt tensioner, water pump and gasket, distilled water and/or proper coolant, two gallon bucket or similar receptacle for drained coolant. You may need an OBD tool if you try to restart while throttle body is unplugged. Grab some old towels. Step-by-step was something like this:
Remove forward splash guard: Screws in with a combination of Torx and Phillips screws.
Locate drain plug under right (passenger) side of radiator. It’s blue and faces downward. To loosen, use the side of the standard screwdriver slid between the front skid-plate and break the seal. Open the cap on the radiator reservoir tank, place your bucket under the drain plug. You should be able to back it out with fingers from there. Drain about two gallons into the bucket and replace drain plug.
Under the hood, remove the shroud that says “4.5 liter” by lifting straight up. Remove t-shaped pipe that routes air into the throttle body by loosening the four hose clamps, taking out the collapsible sections, and using a torx bit (not sure of size) turn the plastic screws on top of the T-pipe a couple of turns. They are not threaded, so take a flat head screw driver and lift up on the screw from the bottom as you turn the head back and forth. Then grab the head of the screw with pliers to remove them. Note that there is a vacuum line that goes up into the bottom of the T-pipe. Squeeze the plastic release on the vacuum line to remove it.
You’ll need to get the dipstick tube out of the way. There’s one screw that’s obvious. The radiator hose on the left side is in the way too. Loosen the hose clamp and work the hose off the end. There is a smaller hose with clamp that’s in the way too, in addition to an electrical connection to the throttle body. Disconnect both.
The water pump is behind the top pulley on the serpentine belt. The pulley attaches with three torx screws. Go ahead and loosen those screws, with the belt still tight, but don’t remove.
Locate the serpentine belt tensioner. It is big and hex-sided. Using the 24mm open end wrench, lever back the tensioner with one hand and flip the serpentine belt off the top of the pulley. Now go ahead and remove the three torx screws from the pulley and remove. Once the screws are removed, wiggle the pulley back and forth to get it off the water pump.
You now should have pretty good access to the water pump. It is attached with eight torx screws. There are several other screws you may end up taking out unnecessarily, but no worries. Just put them back in once the pump is out and you figured out you didn’t need to remove them.
When you pull the pump, there will be about a quart of coolant behind it. (You should try to catch as much as you can in a big pan or an old trash towel, since it’s poisonous and dogs tend to lap it up.)
Actually, this is when I arrived. By the way, note that the gasket is a compression type, not very flexible, and will deform if bent. We found it easiest to place the gasket in place and then slide the pump in place. It takes a little negotiating, and note that there is a wiring harness at the top with a metal bracket that goes on the outside of the pump, with two screws that double-duty as water pump and wiring harness bracket screws. If you put the bracket under the pump, it won’t seal. At all.
Screw all eight screws back in place finger tight and torque down in a star pattern, as best as you can. I don’t know the torque specs, but Ryan said the screws he removed weren’t extraordinarily tight at all. Remember the gasket will flatten too much if you crank too tight.
Now you can replace the pulley. Once it’s tight, get the belt back in place. It was helpful to have two people here, so that one could pull on the tensioner and place the top of the serp belt on the pulleys, while the other gets underneath and aligns the belt on the bottom pulleys. After the belt is back on the pulley, tighten the 3 pulley bolts a little more.
Replace the big hose (on the left side) you took off to get out of the way.
Here is the kicker. If you don’t do this, you’ll probably be fighting with air in the cooling lines. Remove the other big radiator hose (right side) that goes into the top of the radiator and fill with your coolant mixture. Do this by sticking a funnel in the hose and pour about 1 gal of coolant in the hose. I had just had my coolant completely flushed and replaced when the rubber hoses under the manifold ruptured (about 6 months ago under CPO warranty), so we reused the coolant captured in the bucket. You can tell when the rad is full; the water will fill up into the hose. Replace the hose and reposition hose clamp.
Reassembly from here is the reverse of the removal. I just used the distilled water to replace the coolant lost, since it was pretty fresh and it doesn’t get that cold here in Dallas. If you turn the key on during the job while throttle body is unplugged, the check engine light will come on. Use OBD tool to reset it.
All told, for the two of us, we probably spent five man hours. If we had these instructions before we started, it would have taken about 3 to 4 hours. It was definitely an advantage to have two people, but it’s not what I’d call a difficult job. The dealer here in Dallas wanted $838 for the job, plus all the whatevers. A good indy shop wanted just under $700. My buddy also found me a new Laso pump and gasket for $168 total.
After driving around for about an hour, I let it cool and checked the level. Only had to add another eight ounces or so of water, so I think the fill from the radiator hose trick paid off. Hope this helps. Sorry I didn’t take pictures, but it’s pretty clear once you’re in there. Good luck.
Ryan/Dave
I dropped the car at his house while I went to pick up the pump and meet a guy for a lunch meeting. When I got back to his place an hour-and-a-half later he had already removed the front splash guard, drained about a gallon-and-a-half of coolant into a bucket, and removed the water pump. Pretty nice.
All work can be done on level ground. Best idea is to start with a cool engine, for obvious reasons. Tools/supplies needed include torx sockets and bits, a 24mm open-end wrench, ratchet and 3” extension, medium phillips and standard screwdrivers, large wrench (22 to 24mm or adjustable wrench) for the belt tensioner, water pump and gasket, distilled water and/or proper coolant, two gallon bucket or similar receptacle for drained coolant. You may need an OBD tool if you try to restart while throttle body is unplugged. Grab some old towels. Step-by-step was something like this:
Remove forward splash guard: Screws in with a combination of Torx and Phillips screws.
Locate drain plug under right (passenger) side of radiator. It’s blue and faces downward. To loosen, use the side of the standard screwdriver slid between the front skid-plate and break the seal. Open the cap on the radiator reservoir tank, place your bucket under the drain plug. You should be able to back it out with fingers from there. Drain about two gallons into the bucket and replace drain plug.
Under the hood, remove the shroud that says “4.5 liter” by lifting straight up. Remove t-shaped pipe that routes air into the throttle body by loosening the four hose clamps, taking out the collapsible sections, and using a torx bit (not sure of size) turn the plastic screws on top of the T-pipe a couple of turns. They are not threaded, so take a flat head screw driver and lift up on the screw from the bottom as you turn the head back and forth. Then grab the head of the screw with pliers to remove them. Note that there is a vacuum line that goes up into the bottom of the T-pipe. Squeeze the plastic release on the vacuum line to remove it.
You’ll need to get the dipstick tube out of the way. There’s one screw that’s obvious. The radiator hose on the left side is in the way too. Loosen the hose clamp and work the hose off the end. There is a smaller hose with clamp that’s in the way too, in addition to an electrical connection to the throttle body. Disconnect both.
The water pump is behind the top pulley on the serpentine belt. The pulley attaches with three torx screws. Go ahead and loosen those screws, with the belt still tight, but don’t remove.
Locate the serpentine belt tensioner. It is big and hex-sided. Using the 24mm open end wrench, lever back the tensioner with one hand and flip the serpentine belt off the top of the pulley. Now go ahead and remove the three torx screws from the pulley and remove. Once the screws are removed, wiggle the pulley back and forth to get it off the water pump.
You now should have pretty good access to the water pump. It is attached with eight torx screws. There are several other screws you may end up taking out unnecessarily, but no worries. Just put them back in once the pump is out and you figured out you didn’t need to remove them.
When you pull the pump, there will be about a quart of coolant behind it. (You should try to catch as much as you can in a big pan or an old trash towel, since it’s poisonous and dogs tend to lap it up.)
Actually, this is when I arrived. By the way, note that the gasket is a compression type, not very flexible, and will deform if bent. We found it easiest to place the gasket in place and then slide the pump in place. It takes a little negotiating, and note that there is a wiring harness at the top with a metal bracket that goes on the outside of the pump, with two screws that double-duty as water pump and wiring harness bracket screws. If you put the bracket under the pump, it won’t seal. At all.
Screw all eight screws back in place finger tight and torque down in a star pattern, as best as you can. I don’t know the torque specs, but Ryan said the screws he removed weren’t extraordinarily tight at all. Remember the gasket will flatten too much if you crank too tight.
Now you can replace the pulley. Once it’s tight, get the belt back in place. It was helpful to have two people here, so that one could pull on the tensioner and place the top of the serp belt on the pulleys, while the other gets underneath and aligns the belt on the bottom pulleys. After the belt is back on the pulley, tighten the 3 pulley bolts a little more.
Replace the big hose (on the left side) you took off to get out of the way.
Here is the kicker. If you don’t do this, you’ll probably be fighting with air in the cooling lines. Remove the other big radiator hose (right side) that goes into the top of the radiator and fill with your coolant mixture. Do this by sticking a funnel in the hose and pour about 1 gal of coolant in the hose. I had just had my coolant completely flushed and replaced when the rubber hoses under the manifold ruptured (about 6 months ago under CPO warranty), so we reused the coolant captured in the bucket. You can tell when the rad is full; the water will fill up into the hose. Replace the hose and reposition hose clamp.
Reassembly from here is the reverse of the removal. I just used the distilled water to replace the coolant lost, since it was pretty fresh and it doesn’t get that cold here in Dallas. If you turn the key on during the job while throttle body is unplugged, the check engine light will come on. Use OBD tool to reset it.
All told, for the two of us, we probably spent five man hours. If we had these instructions before we started, it would have taken about 3 to 4 hours. It was definitely an advantage to have two people, but it’s not what I’d call a difficult job. The dealer here in Dallas wanted $838 for the job, plus all the whatevers. A good indy shop wanted just under $700. My buddy also found me a new Laso pump and gasket for $168 total.
After driving around for about an hour, I let it cool and checked the level. Only had to add another eight ounces or so of water, so I think the fill from the radiator hose trick paid off. Hope this helps. Sorry I didn’t take pictures, but it’s pretty clear once you’re in there. Good luck.
Ryan/Dave
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And here is what i could find for a VW Touareg…..
Vehicles with engine codes BAC and BLK
Loosen exhaust pipe and starter catalytic converter from turbocharger and gearbox. It is not necessary to remove the catalytic converter.
Vehicles with engine codes BPD and BPE
Remove exhaust gas recirculation cooler
Remove particulate filter
For all engine codes
Drain coolant
Remove coolant drain plugs
Remove coolant pump cover
Remove noise insulation -A- from No. 1 cylinder end of engine block
Remove bolts and remove bracket for noise insulation
Lever sealing cover out of sealing flange on No. 1 cylinder end of block using lever -10-221-
Note:- Renew sealing cover after removing
Bolt special wrench -T10225- onto crankshaft. To do this, turn screw into crankshaft through centre of tool and tighten to 20 Nm
Note:- It is only possible to bolt special wrench -T10225- onto crankshaft in one position
To remove the coolant pump, the engine must not be at TDC
Counterhold on special wrench -T10225-, using a suitable tool, and loosen coolant pump nut
Note:- Engines of the initial production run had insufficient clearance behind the coolant pump gear wheel to fit puller -T10221-. In this case release the gear wheel by tapping lightly on the sides of the gear wheel with a hammer and copper drift
Fit puller -T10221A- and turn hexagon clockwise until the gear wheel can be removed from the pump
Unscrew coolant pump securing bolts
Before fitting puller -T10222A-, adjust it by turning out or in until the hexagon of spindle aligns with tool surface
Fit adjusted puller -T10222A-, turn its bolt clockwise until the puller first contacts the cylinder block as shown and subsequently pulls the coolant pump out
Loosen exhaust pipe and starter catalytic converter from turbocharger and gearbox. It is not necessary to remove the catalytic converter.
Vehicles with engine codes BPD and BPE
Remove exhaust gas recirculation cooler
Remove particulate filter
For all engine codes
Drain coolant
Remove coolant drain plugs
Remove coolant pump cover
Remove noise insulation -A- from No. 1 cylinder end of engine block
Remove bolts and remove bracket for noise insulation
Lever sealing cover out of sealing flange on No. 1 cylinder end of block using lever -10-221-
Note:- Renew sealing cover after removing
Bolt special wrench -T10225- onto crankshaft. To do this, turn screw into crankshaft through centre of tool and tighten to 20 Nm
Note:- It is only possible to bolt special wrench -T10225- onto crankshaft in one position
To remove the coolant pump, the engine must not be at TDC
Counterhold on special wrench -T10225-, using a suitable tool, and loosen coolant pump nut
Note:- Engines of the initial production run had insufficient clearance behind the coolant pump gear wheel to fit puller -T10221-. In this case release the gear wheel by tapping lightly on the sides of the gear wheel with a hammer and copper drift
Fit puller -T10221A- and turn hexagon clockwise until the gear wheel can be removed from the pump
Unscrew coolant pump securing bolts
Before fitting puller -T10222A-, adjust it by turning out or in until the hexagon of spindle aligns with tool surface
Fit adjusted puller -T10222A-, turn its bolt clockwise until the puller first contacts the cylinder block as shown and subsequently pulls the coolant pump out
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Hi everyone. Got to say, this is probably one of the easiest jobs I have ever done on a Porsche. Its pretty messy to get the coolant out so make sure you have several flat pans and lots of paper towels handy. One of the great things about the V6 Cayenne is you use an M8 bolt to take the tension off the multi rib belt. It was easy, screw in the bolt, take off the belt. The water pump is easy to get to and R&R. If you have a leaking pump (which I did), this is pretty straight forward.