Well! Whoda Thunk?
06-14-2003 | 05:06 AM
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Well! Whoda Thunk?
I gave up quite a while back on the Cayenne site as the placating, anti-Cayenne group dominated.
Probably wasn't a real problem since even reviews were thin 8 months ago.
You folks have taken a big step, a trusting, helpful one for the Porsche Marque.
While I am, currently, without the means to join your ranks I hope to somday add a Cayenne to the fold.
It was comforting to see the 'owners' displace the disparagers so quickly. I would hope your local dealer would put you folks together with at least a mention of the Rennlist site but, judging from the increasing numbers you are off to a good start with a unique opprotunity to catalog the good as well as the bad -with cures- thru posting.
The Cayenne Forum is a pleasure to visit now even though John from Washington is still, in my mind, carping on comparisons and Porsche's 'fatal mistake'.
You guy's enjoy the ride and experience.
Post often as I'll be learning from you.
Above all take care of those Fab. SUV's as I might well be the future owner of one of them down the road.
Probably wasn't a real problem since even reviews were thin 8 months ago.
You folks have taken a big step, a trusting, helpful one for the Porsche Marque.
While I am, currently, without the means to join your ranks I hope to somday add a Cayenne to the fold.
It was comforting to see the 'owners' displace the disparagers so quickly. I would hope your local dealer would put you folks together with at least a mention of the Rennlist site but, judging from the increasing numbers you are off to a good start with a unique opprotunity to catalog the good as well as the bad -with cures- thru posting.
The Cayenne Forum is a pleasure to visit now even though John from Washington is still, in my mind, carping on comparisons and Porsche's 'fatal mistake'.
You guy's enjoy the ride and experience.
Post often as I'll be learning from you.
Above all take care of those Fab. SUV's as I might well be the future owner of one of them down the road.
06-14-2003 | 09:57 AM
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Hmmm, all was going well until I got to this part ...
<strong> The Cayenne Forum is a pleasure to visit now even though John from Washington is still carping on comparisons and Porsche's "fatal mistake."</strong>
I'll give you a chance to explain yourself, and do a little reading homework of my posts, before I dust off my recently-abandoned litigation knife and enjoy some sushi.
<strong> The Cayenne Forum is a pleasure to visit now even though John from Washington is still carping on comparisons and Porsche's "fatal mistake."</strong>
I'll give you a chance to explain yourself, and do a little reading homework of my posts, before I dust off my recently-abandoned litigation knife and enjoy some sushi.
06-14-2003 | 12:06 PM
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Last call for Rover land.
Ding Ding.
Go back thru your post's.
I believe the last time you: " didn't have time".
And went on with a 'clarification' of open forum's and peoples rights to an opinion.
You have mine so spare me the wasted sushi comment's. Litigation knife? That would imply you have some 'moves' in the Court of Law.
I grew up with a vicious, accomplished, product liability attorney as king of the house.
Do your homework/review, objectively this time, and you can't help but see your past post's generally, nibbled/hacked the Cayenne, Porche management and elicited/solicited comments from like minded members - your right on the forum - .
There was a growing number of us who represented
the opposing view - our right on the forum-.
We did agree on one thing; the cost was to high -for us-.
I said it then and it still applies "I can't wait for OWNERS to take over the Cayenne Forum so we could learn something " . BTW Both of our post's are in the archives so don't rant - you aren't the only one who can read.
Since I don't want to further block Cayenne business, I'll 'give' you the last posted shot. If you have issues after the final post, PM me.
Sorry Cayenne folks I'll just lurk for the most part in the future.
One last question for the owners. I believe some small minded people gave the Cayenne the nick-name/moniker of 'PEPPER'.
As a leading edge owners group are you going to keep the name Pepper or decide on one for yourselves?
Looking forward to seeing y'all on, and off the road.
Enjoy the Cayenne
Again sorry about stirring the pot.
Yours,
John -the new lurker-.:^)
Ding Ding.
Go back thru your post's.
I believe the last time you: " didn't have time".
And went on with a 'clarification' of open forum's and peoples rights to an opinion.
You have mine so spare me the wasted sushi comment's. Litigation knife? That would imply you have some 'moves' in the Court of Law.
I grew up with a vicious, accomplished, product liability attorney as king of the house.
Do your homework/review, objectively this time, and you can't help but see your past post's generally, nibbled/hacked the Cayenne, Porche management and elicited/solicited comments from like minded members - your right on the forum - .
There was a growing number of us who represented
the opposing view - our right on the forum-.
We did agree on one thing; the cost was to high -for us-.
I said it then and it still applies "I can't wait for OWNERS to take over the Cayenne Forum so we could learn something " . BTW Both of our post's are in the archives so don't rant - you aren't the only one who can read.
Since I don't want to further block Cayenne business, I'll 'give' you the last posted shot. If you have issues after the final post, PM me.
Sorry Cayenne folks I'll just lurk for the most part in the future.
One last question for the owners. I believe some small minded people gave the Cayenne the nick-name/moniker of 'PEPPER'.
As a leading edge owners group are you going to keep the name Pepper or decide on one for yourselves?
Looking forward to seeing y'all on, and off the road.
Enjoy the Cayenne
Again sorry about stirring the pot.
Yours,
John -the new lurker-.:^)
06-14-2003 | 01:40 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by John Struthers:
<strong>Last call for Rover land.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I'm going to offer you an easy way out, and you should take it ... Your post seems to indicate that the pea soup of thoughts in your brain melded several different forum posters into one. Your writing sure doesn't indicate any above-average clarity of thought or expression, so I'll forgive you. I don't own a Rover. Perhaps you have me confused with another John-poster who does.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"><strong> I believe the last time you: " didn't have time".
And went on with a 'clarification' of open forum's and peoples rights to an opinion.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">As I and others stated, an appreciation of the last point was sorely lacking on this forum for some time. Others (not you, somehow you failed) could easily sum up each and every one of my posts on this forum very briefly: the Cayenne's looks were initially disappointing and some angles have emerged to be strongly appealing with others less so; the on- and off-road engineering and performance specs of the vehicle are virtually without peer in the SUV world; the corporate decision to build an SUV is fraught with marketing, execution, service and financial risks, all of which will wash away if sales hit the expected targets; and the corporate decision to build the Cayenne was one of several options the Company had for pursuing financial health. The remainder of my posts consisted of news items and magazine reviews of the then undriven Cayenne (I'd add that the majority of those posted reviews praised the Cayenne, but that would confuse your simplistic perception of me as somehow "anti-Cayenne" which I'm not).
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"><strong> Litigation knife? That would imply you have some 'moves' in the Court of Law.
I grew up with a vicious, accomplished, product liability attorney as king of the house.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Anybody that would call analytical or persuasive skills "moves" hardly deserves a response, but since you stooped to mentioned that you "grew up with a vicious, accomplished, product liability attorney as king of the house" (that concept could be dissected for days, and my condolences if that's how you would describe your family environment growing up) deserves to know that I'm a former litigation partner in one of the 100 largest law firms in the country and left the practice of law, my sister's a partner in the largest firm in Washington, D.C., my wife's a lawyer as well, all of which actually means nothing for the purpose of dealing with your snivelly post. You must have been navel-gazing in the heart of Texas and somehow come to the not-so-brilliant conclusion that the Forum needed your words of wisdom, fueled by less-than-adequate reading comprehension. Spare us, please, because dealing with it is a waste of neurons, glucose, keyboard strokes, pixels, and time.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"><strong>I said it then and it still applies "I can't wait for OWNERS to take over the Cayenne Forum so we could learn something." </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">If you actually read my posts, you would realize that I was mediating the increasingly contentious viewpoints, and therefore I (and many others) literally stated that the academic discussions of the Cayenne and Porsche's corporate decisions were topical prior to the introduction of the vehicle and that once it was introduced the majority of posts would begin to focus on the minutiae of vehicle ownership. Ta da, that's happened and it's a very good development. For the life of me, I really think you must have me confused with someone else. If not, get thee to a neuropyschiatrist quickly.
Have a good day
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<strong>Last call for Rover land.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I'm going to offer you an easy way out, and you should take it ... Your post seems to indicate that the pea soup of thoughts in your brain melded several different forum posters into one. Your writing sure doesn't indicate any above-average clarity of thought or expression, so I'll forgive you. I don't own a Rover. Perhaps you have me confused with another John-poster who does.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"><strong> I believe the last time you: " didn't have time".
And went on with a 'clarification' of open forum's and peoples rights to an opinion.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">As I and others stated, an appreciation of the last point was sorely lacking on this forum for some time. Others (not you, somehow you failed) could easily sum up each and every one of my posts on this forum very briefly: the Cayenne's looks were initially disappointing and some angles have emerged to be strongly appealing with others less so; the on- and off-road engineering and performance specs of the vehicle are virtually without peer in the SUV world; the corporate decision to build an SUV is fraught with marketing, execution, service and financial risks, all of which will wash away if sales hit the expected targets; and the corporate decision to build the Cayenne was one of several options the Company had for pursuing financial health. The remainder of my posts consisted of news items and magazine reviews of the then undriven Cayenne (I'd add that the majority of those posted reviews praised the Cayenne, but that would confuse your simplistic perception of me as somehow "anti-Cayenne" which I'm not).
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"><strong> Litigation knife? That would imply you have some 'moves' in the Court of Law.
I grew up with a vicious, accomplished, product liability attorney as king of the house.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Anybody that would call analytical or persuasive skills "moves" hardly deserves a response, but since you stooped to mentioned that you "grew up with a vicious, accomplished, product liability attorney as king of the house" (that concept could be dissected for days, and my condolences if that's how you would describe your family environment growing up) deserves to know that I'm a former litigation partner in one of the 100 largest law firms in the country and left the practice of law, my sister's a partner in the largest firm in Washington, D.C., my wife's a lawyer as well, all of which actually means nothing for the purpose of dealing with your snivelly post. You must have been navel-gazing in the heart of Texas and somehow come to the not-so-brilliant conclusion that the Forum needed your words of wisdom, fueled by less-than-adequate reading comprehension. Spare us, please, because dealing with it is a waste of neurons, glucose, keyboard strokes, pixels, and time.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica"><strong>I said it then and it still applies "I can't wait for OWNERS to take over the Cayenne Forum so we could learn something." </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">If you actually read my posts, you would realize that I was mediating the increasingly contentious viewpoints, and therefore I (and many others) literally stated that the academic discussions of the Cayenne and Porsche's corporate decisions were topical prior to the introduction of the vehicle and that once it was introduced the majority of posts would begin to focus on the minutiae of vehicle ownership. Ta da, that's happened and it's a very good development. For the life of me, I really think you must have me confused with someone else. If not, get thee to a neuropyschiatrist quickly.
Have a good day
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