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10-17-2007, 07:28 PM
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I am a driving instructor for my local PCA region and at our last event on Monday and Tuesday my friend Steve Robbins let me drive his Cayenne S for a session. I gotta tell you that it was a 
blast! It wasn't a 911 
, but it was a lot of fun. I would say that the main weak link on the car was the tires, they couldn't really handle what we were doing, but what a machine you all have. I think I will be selling an organ to try and buy one. Very cool! 
Has anyone here tracked or AX a Cayenne before? How was it? - Jay
blast! It wasn't a 911 , but it was a lot of fun. I would say that the main weak link on the car was the tires, they couldn't really handle what we were doing, but what a machine you all have. I think I will be selling an organ to try and buy one. Very cool! Has anyone here tracked or AX a Cayenne before? How was it? - Jay
10-18-2007, 07:58 AM
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I am in the minority that believes that a Cayenne doesn't belong on track, unless it's in Green and/or its own class.
I know the PCA regions are all over the map on this one (some don't allow them, some do).
No rearward visibility, hard to see driver's hand signals to pass and the thought of an on track incident between a Cayenne and a 914 is frightening.
I know the PCA regions are all over the map on this one (some don't allow them, some do).
No rearward visibility, hard to see driver's hand signals to pass and the thought of an on track incident between a Cayenne and a 914 is frightening.
10-18-2007, 08:06 AM
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I am in the minority that believes that a Cayenne doesn't belong on track, unless it's in Green and/or its own class.
I know the PCA regions are all over the map on this one (some don't allow them, some do).
No rearward visibility, hard to see driver's hand signals to pass and the thought of an on track incident between a Cayenne and a 914 is frightening.
I know the PCA regions are all over the map on this one (some don't allow them, some do).
No rearward visibility, hard to see driver's hand signals to pass and the thought of an on track incident between a Cayenne and a 914 is frightening.
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I am a driving instructor for my local PCA region and at our last event on Monday and Tuesday my friend Steve Robbins let me drive his Cayenne S for a session. I gotta tell you that it was a blast! It wasn't a 911 , but it was a lot of fun. I would say that the main weak link on the car was the tires, they couldn't really handle what we were doing, but what a machine you all have. I think I will be selling an organ to try and buy one. Very cool!
Has anyone here tracked or AX a Cayenne before? How was it? - Jay
blast! It wasn't a 911 , but it was a lot of fun. I would say that the main weak link on the car was the tires, they couldn't really handle what we were doing, but what a machine you all have. I think I will be selling an organ to try and buy one. Very cool! Has anyone here tracked or AX a Cayenne before? How was it? - Jay
...would be interesting to hear about above experience too and a difference in driving behavior vs regular CayS08...
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I am in the minority that believes that a Cayenne doesn't belong on track, unless it's in Green and/or its own class.
I know the PCA regions are all over the map on this one (some don't allow them, some do).
No rearward visibility, hard to see driver's hand signals to pass and the thought of an on track incident between a Cayenne and a 914 is frightening.
I know the PCA regions are all over the map on this one (some don't allow them, some do).
No rearward visibility, hard to see driver's hand signals to pass and the thought of an on track incident between a Cayenne and a 914 is frightening.
...nobody complains...any obstacle is just MORE INTERESTING to overcome...
...motorBikes DO NOT complain about SLOW Carreras obstructing front view...
...just for COMPETITION they drive in it's own class...
...you may draw your own conclusions about majority of the American PORSCHE Carrera owners/drivers complaining on a track...American complaining PORSCHE Carrera owner/driver needs a CONVENIENCE of an open free of traffic road...
...for his level of driving skill?...
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Seriously, I know English is your second language (it hurts just translating your pigeon english and cryptic spellings), so, exactly what is your primary language?
BTW, I still find it interesting that PCA (National) has yet to come to a uniform standard regarding PCA DE and Cayennes.
BTW, I still find it interesting that PCA (National) has yet to come to a uniform standard regarding PCA DE and Cayennes.
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Seriously, I know English is your second language (it hurts just translating your pigeon english and cryptic spellings), so, exactly what is your primary language?
BTW, I still find it interesting that PCA (National) has yet to come to a uniform standard regarding PCA DE and Cayennes.
BTW, I still find it interesting that PCA (National) has yet to come to a uniform standard regarding PCA DE and Cayennes.
...Inglisch, is my 7th language, d@mmy...
...you don't drive Inglisch cars on a track, DO YOU?...
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10-18-2007, 11:37 PM
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Seriously, I know English is your second language (it hurts just translating your pigeon english and cryptic spellings), so, exactly what is your primary language?
BTW, I still find it interesting that PCA (National) has yet to come to a uniform standard regarding PCA DE and Cayennes.
BTW, I still find it interesting that PCA (National) has yet to come to a uniform standard regarding PCA DE and Cayennes.
10-19-2007, 11:07 AM
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Cayenne's running in their own group is fine - but they are too damn big to be on the track with everyone else... 
Anyone who has spent anytime on a track (or went on a Rennlist drive having to follow a Cayenne) knows this.
Anyone who has spent anytime on a track (or went on a Rennlist drive having to follow a Cayenne) knows this.
10-19-2007, 01:14 PM
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Without offending Porsche Cayenne (or VW Touareg) owners, it's simple due to the fact that National seems to have not decided one way or the other and left it up to the local track chairs and CI's (please correct me if this situation has changed at National).
The main issues involved with a Cayenne on track with other vehicles involve:
1. Ability for the car following a Cayenne to see a passing signal (as previousy documented/discussed by a new Cayenne owner's first experience on track)
2. The inability of a driver following a Cayenne to be able to see 'thru' the Cayenne to see what is ahead on track.
3. Limited rearward visibility offered by the Cayenne (no you don't get to put it in Reverse and use the back up camera). Sorry, but sometimes you ARE running right up on someone's bumper, especially if it's someone you know/trust......or sometimes you just don't expect them to 'stop' at entry or apex.
4. Sheer mass, coupled with a student's likely use of 'lots of brake', coupled with stock/marginal brake fluid and the expected high wear rate of stock pads and perhaps marginal brake cooling
5. The possibility of a Cayenne going off at the exit of Big Bend in the spring and actually sinking until it disappears.
6. The damage caused by a Cayenne having an incident, at speed, with another (much smaller....by over 2000#) smaller vehicle.
The Cayenne just prevents some 'challenges' to the std PCA DE, that's all. I've seen a few as tow vehicles, one out at lunch with instructors taking it for a ride and one in Green.
IMHO, a Cayenne in Advanced Solo (white/black) would not be a good thing.
The main issues involved with a Cayenne on track with other vehicles involve:
1. Ability for the car following a Cayenne to see a passing signal (as previousy documented/discussed by a new Cayenne owner's first experience on track)
2. The inability of a driver following a Cayenne to be able to see 'thru' the Cayenne to see what is ahead on track.
3. Limited rearward visibility offered by the Cayenne (no you don't get to put it in Reverse and use the back up camera). Sorry, but sometimes you ARE running right up on someone's bumper, especially if it's someone you know/trust......or sometimes you just don't expect them to 'stop' at entry or apex.
4. Sheer mass, coupled with a student's likely use of 'lots of brake', coupled with stock/marginal brake fluid and the expected high wear rate of stock pads and perhaps marginal brake cooling
5. The possibility of a Cayenne going off at the exit of Big Bend in the spring and actually sinking until it disappears.
6. The damage caused by a Cayenne having an incident, at speed, with another (much smaller....by over 2000#) smaller vehicle.
The Cayenne just prevents some 'challenges' to the std PCA DE, that's all. I've seen a few as tow vehicles, one out at lunch with instructors taking it for a ride and one in Green.
IMHO, a Cayenne in Advanced Solo (white/black) would not be a good thing.
10-19-2007, 01:45 PM
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Well, I went out to a BMW track day one time to see how their Bluetooth worked on the track. It was raining, and the TT truck was the second fasted car/truck on the track, second behind a WRX. I had all of the computer help involved and it was FUN! Larry is correct in that there is a little more momentum created, but if one got in over one's head then everything would start shutting down or automatically braking for the driver! When it started to dry out, I came in and watched. Never did find out how their Bluetooth worked!
10-19-2007, 04:04 PM
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Without offending Porsche Cayenne (or VW Touareg) owners, it's simple due to the fact that National seems to have not decided one way or the other and left it up to the local track chairs and CI's (please correct me if this situation has changed at National).
The main issues involved with a Cayenne on track with other vehicles involve:
1. Ability for the car following a Cayenne to see a passing signal (as previousy documented/discussed by a new Cayenne owner's first experience on track)
2. The inability of a driver following a Cayenne to be able to see 'thru' the Cayenne to see what is ahead on track.
3. Limited rearward visibility offered by the Cayenne (no you don't get to put it in Reverse and use the back up camera). Sorry, but sometimes you ARE running right up on someone's bumper, especially if it's someone you know/trust......or sometimes you just don't expect them to 'stop' at entry or apex.
4. Sheer mass, coupled with a student's likely use of 'lots of brake', coupled with stock/marginal brake fluid and the expected high wear rate of stock pads and perhaps marginal brake cooling
5. The possibility of a Cayenne going off at the exit of Big Bend in the spring and actually sinking until it disappears.
6. The damage caused by a Cayenne having an incident, at speed, with another (much smaller....by over 2000#) smaller vehicle.
The Cayenne just prevents some 'challenges' to the std PCA DE, that's all. I've seen a few as tow vehicles, one out at lunch with instructors taking it for a ride and one in Green.
IMHO, a Cayenne in Advanced Solo (white/black) would not be a good thing.
The main issues involved with a Cayenne on track with other vehicles involve:
1. Ability for the car following a Cayenne to see a passing signal (as previousy documented/discussed by a new Cayenne owner's first experience on track)
2. The inability of a driver following a Cayenne to be able to see 'thru' the Cayenne to see what is ahead on track.
3. Limited rearward visibility offered by the Cayenne (no you don't get to put it in Reverse and use the back up camera). Sorry, but sometimes you ARE running right up on someone's bumper, especially if it's someone you know/trust......or sometimes you just don't expect them to 'stop' at entry or apex.
4. Sheer mass, coupled with a student's likely use of 'lots of brake', coupled with stock/marginal brake fluid and the expected high wear rate of stock pads and perhaps marginal brake cooling
5. The possibility of a Cayenne going off at the exit of Big Bend in the spring and actually sinking until it disappears.
6. The damage caused by a Cayenne having an incident, at speed, with another (much smaller....by over 2000#) smaller vehicle.
The Cayenne just prevents some 'challenges' to the std PCA DE, that's all. I've seen a few as tow vehicles, one out at lunch with instructors taking it for a ride and one in Green.
IMHO, a Cayenne in Advanced Solo (white/black) would not be a good thing.