Strong Attachmernt Points in Cargo Area
07-11-2006 | 12:08 PM
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Strong Attachmernt Points in Cargo Area
There was a posting last year by Kooser that got me thinking about securing track gear, which includes a jack, when I'm towing to PCA events. I use an open trailer so the tools ride with me. Quote:
I have been reading on other forums that some people are carrying a full size (or even non standard spare) tire in their rear cargo space in their Cayennes.
I just treated several passengers involved in an MVA (non Porsche) but they had a full size tire in the rear of their SUV. 1 rear passenger had a direct blow to the occipital skull -closed head injury- DOA. The other two rear passengers had multiple facial fractures and one had a basilar skull fracture as well with CSF leak and a c-spine injury.
Any wheel not completely secured and bolted down will just become a massive projectile in an accident. I have the smaller Bose sub in my '04 Cayenne and had no spare until two days ago. I too was frustrated that an automobile costing over $100,000 did not come with a spare. I never even thought of ordering it as an option b/c I foolishly assumed that there would be one. I then thought that a spare wouldn't fit b/c of the subwoofer and I investigated the option of building a rear false deck about 11" above the normal floor (reducing cargo space) which would have had a hinged top and would have housed a full wheel/tire. But the wheel would be bolted down in the design. I didn't necessarily want to sacrifice space so went to the dealer to remove the sub and fortunately I was in the situation to fit a spare properly over the smaller sub.
It appears the standard tiedown clips in the rear are not attached directly to the chassis. In addition, it looks like most of the cargo area floor sections are well covered by large expanses of plastic, making it dificult to identify where an attachment to the chassis could be made.
Has anybody installed a cargo "restraint system" using stronger tie down points to help preent large objects in the cargo area from becoming projectiles in an accident? BTW, I'm familiar with cargo nets, but they still rely on solid attachments to the chassis.
TIA for any suggestions.
I have been reading on other forums that some people are carrying a full size (or even non standard spare) tire in their rear cargo space in their Cayennes.
I just treated several passengers involved in an MVA (non Porsche) but they had a full size tire in the rear of their SUV. 1 rear passenger had a direct blow to the occipital skull -closed head injury- DOA. The other two rear passengers had multiple facial fractures and one had a basilar skull fracture as well with CSF leak and a c-spine injury.
Any wheel not completely secured and bolted down will just become a massive projectile in an accident. I have the smaller Bose sub in my '04 Cayenne and had no spare until two days ago. I too was frustrated that an automobile costing over $100,000 did not come with a spare. I never even thought of ordering it as an option b/c I foolishly assumed that there would be one. I then thought that a spare wouldn't fit b/c of the subwoofer and I investigated the option of building a rear false deck about 11" above the normal floor (reducing cargo space) which would have had a hinged top and would have housed a full wheel/tire. But the wheel would be bolted down in the design. I didn't necessarily want to sacrifice space so went to the dealer to remove the sub and fortunately I was in the situation to fit a spare properly over the smaller sub.
It appears the standard tiedown clips in the rear are not attached directly to the chassis. In addition, it looks like most of the cargo area floor sections are well covered by large expanses of plastic, making it dificult to identify where an attachment to the chassis could be made.
Has anybody installed a cargo "restraint system" using stronger tie down points to help preent large objects in the cargo area from becoming projectiles in an accident? BTW, I'm familiar with cargo nets, but they still rely on solid attachments to the chassis.
TIA for any suggestions.
Last edited by GP White; 07-12-2006 at 07:59 AM.
07-11-2006 | 05:53 PM
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I would be very interested in any solutions to this myself. I do have the space-saver spare but it is very limited in the speed and distance it can travel; OK for around town but of limited value on a long trip. I have a full size spare I sometimes carry on long trips and I use the optional cargo net attached to the tie down points to secure it. That worries me, for exactly the reasons GP mentions.
An alternative I have thought of is mounting it vertically to the left side. I haven't investigated this fully but I do think it will fit if the cargo cover and safety net are removed. I also think there may be better access to real sheetmetal there.
An alternative I have thought of is mounting it vertically to the left side. I haven't investigated this fully but I do think it will fit if the cargo cover and safety net are removed. I also think there may be better access to real sheetmetal there.
07-11-2006 | 10:43 PM
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From GP White:
"I just treated several passengers involved in an MVA (non Porsche) but they had a full size tire in the rear of their SUV. 1 rear passenger had a direct blow to the occipital skull -closed head injury- DOA. The other two rear passengers had multiple facial fractures and one had a basilar skull fracture as well with CSF leak and a c-spine injury.
Any wheel not completely secured and bolted down will just become a massive projectile in an accident. I have the smaller Bose sub in my '04 Cayenne and had no spare until two days ago. I too was frustrated that an automobile costing over $100,000 did not come with a spare. I never even thought of ordering it as an option b/c I foolishly assumed that there would be one. I then thought that a spare wouldn't fit b/c of the subwoofer and I investigated the option of building a rear false deck about 11" above the normal floor (reducing cargo space) which would have had a hinged top and would have housed a full wheel/tire. But the wheel would be bolted down in the design. I didn't necessarily want to sacrifice space so went to the dealer to remove the sub and fortunately I was in the situation to fit a spare properly over the smaller sub.
It appears the standard tiedown clips in the rear are not attached directly to the chassis. In addition, it looks like most of the cargo area floor sections are well covered by large expanses of plastic, making it dificult to identify where an attachment to the chassis could be made.
Has anybody installed a cargo "restraint system" using stronger tie down points to help preent large objects in the cargo area from becoming projectiles in an accident? BTW, I'm familiar with cargo nets, but they still rely on solid attachments to the chassis.
TIA for any suggestions."
"I just treated several passengers involved in an MVA (non Porsche) but they had a full size tire in the rear of their SUV. 1 rear passenger had a direct blow to the occipital skull -closed head injury- DOA. The other two rear passengers had multiple facial fractures and one had a basilar skull fracture as well with CSF leak and a c-spine injury.
Any wheel not completely secured and bolted down will just become a massive projectile in an accident. I have the smaller Bose sub in my '04 Cayenne and had no spare until two days ago. I too was frustrated that an automobile costing over $100,000 did not come with a spare. I never even thought of ordering it as an option b/c I foolishly assumed that there would be one. I then thought that a spare wouldn't fit b/c of the subwoofer and I investigated the option of building a rear false deck about 11" above the normal floor (reducing cargo space) which would have had a hinged top and would have housed a full wheel/tire. But the wheel would be bolted down in the design. I didn't necessarily want to sacrifice space so went to the dealer to remove the sub and fortunately I was in the situation to fit a spare properly over the smaller sub.
It appears the standard tiedown clips in the rear are not attached directly to the chassis. In addition, it looks like most of the cargo area floor sections are well covered by large expanses of plastic, making it dificult to identify where an attachment to the chassis could be made.
Has anybody installed a cargo "restraint system" using stronger tie down points to help preent large objects in the cargo area from becoming projectiles in an accident? BTW, I'm familiar with cargo nets, but they still rely on solid attachments to the chassis.
TIA for any suggestions."
07-12-2006 | 08:42 AM
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Lewis
Good advice, but all the stuff I bring won't fit in the Trailex box and I've been concerned about asymmetricaly loading the trailer with too much weight in the box. In addition there are times when I'm hauling heavy objects without the trailer and would like to secure the load, such as when bringing my track wheels and tires to the shop.
A different solution I had considered to prevent the cargo from visiting the driver and passengers would be an upgraded wire mesh barrier, like the dog barriers. The problem comes back to where are the strong points to attach the barrier.
Good advice, but all the stuff I bring won't fit in the Trailex box and I've been concerned about asymmetricaly loading the trailer with too much weight in the box. In addition there are times when I'm hauling heavy objects without the trailer and would like to secure the load, such as when bringing my track wheels and tires to the shop.
A different solution I had considered to prevent the cargo from visiting the driver and passengers would be an upgraded wire mesh barrier, like the dog barriers. The problem comes back to where are the strong points to attach the barrier.
07-13-2006 | 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by GP White
Lewis
Good advice, but all the stuff I bring won't fit in the Trailex box and I've been concerned about asymmetricaly loading the trailer with too much weight in the box. In addition there are times when I'm hauling heavy objects without the trailer and would like to secure the load, such as when bringing my track wheels and tires to the shop.
A different solution I had considered to prevent the cargo from visiting the driver and passengers would be an upgraded wire mesh barrier, like the dog barriers. The problem comes back to where are the strong points to attach the barrier.
Good advice, but all the stuff I bring won't fit in the Trailex box and I've been concerned about asymmetricaly loading the trailer with too much weight in the box. In addition there are times when I'm hauling heavy objects without the trailer and would like to secure the load, such as when bringing my track wheels and tires to the shop.
A different solution I had considered to prevent the cargo from visiting the driver and passengers would be an upgraded wire mesh barrier, like the dog barriers. The problem comes back to where are the strong points to attach the barrier.
I have one that was used in my X5 that performed like a champ--very solid and very safe. I got rid of the X5 and never use it in the Pepper (the stock fabric mesh protector is enough of a deterrent to keep my terriers in the back) . If you can't find what you need at your local pet palace, drop me a PM and I'll sell you mine for $50 + shipping...
