Ocada

Going to get the PPI done today and hopefully will be a new owner.

Question about the IMS upgrade. Since the IMS Solution is right around the corner does it make sense to do the IMS right now? I was thinking about maybe doing the guardian now and then the solution later, but I'm not sure the best course of action.

gfl

I don't follow your question "right around the corner". The IMS replacement ( either with OEM or LN super-duper IMS) costs about $1000 labor plus parts ($200+ OEM, $700+ LN). If you do it at the same time you do a clutch, save $500 (common cost).

IMSs are a crap shoot. I just pulled one, out of a failed motor with 150k in a car i bought, yesterday. Everyone thought the IMS was the culprit. It was perfect. A chain show likely failed on Bank B. OTOH many go at 40-50k too. Luck be a lady!

I don't know ho well the guardian works, nor what it costs.

Does this help?

Grant

Joe-B

I hope Jake doesn't mind me posting this here, but I had the same question and I found this post very helpful:


My question is, should I go ahead with the LN IMS replacement in March, or wait for the "Solution" to be available?

"First off the IMS Solution is available and has been available, an owner of an IMSS equipped car chimed in here on 986 forum on the other thread already. The difference is the IMSS is only available currently directly from my company with on site installation. Never fear, we have several trucks scheduled to bring cars from all across the country to our facility in the spring and shipping is cheap on mass movements- we do it all the time. I currently have cars at my facility from 18 states.

This is a decision that many will face with the IMSS now available for the single row equipped cars. Guys with dual row cars (early 2000 and earlier) don't even need to consider it as the IMSS is no produced for those cars.

Call and get on my schedule for the IMS Solution.. We are already backlogged with installs till the end of March with no advertisement. We have put the owners of our engines first in line for priority with the installs and have been working for months to get in touch with those owners and get their engines equipped with our technology. Our engines always take priority as our developments, like the IMSS is always done to benefit these owners most. I was only concerned with our own engines and if Charles at LN hadn't convinced me otherwise you'd have to buy my engine to get the technology :-)

You won't anything about the IMSS on our sites, or anywhere else other than a few threads that have popped up after I sent my newsletter out that spilled the beans. That newsletter only went out to our followers and it slammed our install schedule immediately. The first 100 units are already spoken for.

Here are the things to consider when choosing a retrofit: (we don't care which way you go, but with a single row car, please retrofit it)

Your budget:
Standard bearing-Here to carry out a single row retrofit with the standard ceramic IMS Bearing we have an all inclusive package that cost 3,500.00 and addresses IMS, clutch, RMS, tensioners and more. See details of that in these 11 pages of detail here

IMS Solution- We couple the same package listed above but use the IMS Solution instead of the ceramic ball bearing. The price difference is 600.00 at our level and you have to remember that the package includes a free spin on filter adaptor. We don't charge any extra labor (because for us the time is the same since we developed and tested the IMS Solution from scratch here. We only add the additional cost of the IMS Solution onto that of the standard bearing and that equates to a 600.00 higher price. The benefit of us doing the work is the same hands that have done all the test work since this product was invented will carry out your installation and no one will ever understand this product like we will.

In short, if you have 600.00 more to spend, then consider the IMS Solution. I can't speak for other shops, because they do things hourly where we do not as we have flat prices for the procedures and products we have developed.

How long you intend to keep the car:
This one is easy, if you don't plan on keeping the car for more than 50K miles, just use the standard retrofit. If you love the car and want to keep it forever (like the guys that buy our engines that cost more than their car is worth) then utilize the IMS Solution and the extra 600.00 is worth the expenditure since the unit is designed to last.

All of our engines are using the technology as a standard offering, its not even an option. Also, we are no longer carrying out retrofits using the standard single row ceramic as we have superior technology and its not smart for it to not be applied at our level.


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Now I hear about an IMS "Solution." I did a search, but I can find almost no information about it. I found one promising link, but a password is needed to get in for information.

Nope, its not anywhere online. Two pictures have been posted and no details shared on our sites at all. We did not want it to go viral until we had extra units to install over those that were slotted for our prior engine owners and our current engines that are being created now. Though it has not been advertised, every owner of a single row car that has called us to schedule a bearing retrofit has been introduced to the IMS Solution for the first time via telephone and all of those people have done a good job with helping us keep the chatter down. We did not feel it was fair to have the better technology and allow someone to spend their money on yesterday's technology only to see the latest and greatest pop up a few weeks or months later. If that happened to me, I'd be pissed off and we didn't want others to be the same way, only because they didn't know that something better existed and cost the same amount for us to install labor wise. To date every person who has been introduced to the IMS Solution has purchased one rather than the standard ceramic bearing that they called to sign up for.

So here is the summary:
-Available right now for install only at my facility for 4,195.00 all inclusive.
-Major parts distributors will be selling units to their shops in summer 2013, we already have their purchase orders in work and are making the run of IMS Solutions to fill those orders now.
-I believe in it enough to use it in ALL my engines as standard equipment.
-We no longer install the standard single row bearing as a retrofit.

Details will be available only the The IMS Solution | The IMS Solution. The solution to IMS failures in MY97-08 M96 and M97 Engines. Developed by Flat 6 Innovations and LN Engineering LLC – the team that brought you the IMS Retrofit. Copyright IMS Solution LLC 2012-2013. as soon as we are ready to open the site, which will probably be in 10 days or so, we have two videos to finish and post there first.

If you have more questions email info@flat6innovations.com and Dean will send you a brochure."
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Jake Raby/ Flat 6 Innovations.com
Porsche M96 Engine Specialists.
'88 Carrera
'76 912E
'64 356C Outlaw

Upstate101

Wow, neat stuff.
I wonder if the IMS Solution is available for the 2005-2008 engines? Same price?

Kevin Rohrer

I like the 2004, even though it is a 'base'. Low mileage is your friend, and practically guarantees it was never tracked. The $17.5k seems high, especially for a base. I know someone with an immaculate 'S' for sale who wants less for his than that.

Too bad you don't live in Ohio; I'd hook you up.

sjfehr

987 M96 needs to be torn apart to replace the IMS. But it's also redesigned and less likely to fail. You can use IMS Guardian for advanced warning if you're concerned.