Taking out short shifter
03-18-2008, 12:27 PM
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Taking out short shifter
I think I'm going to take out my B&M short shifter. The problem is that to put it in, despite all attempts not to, the original end caps/bushings had to be cut and destroyed. It used to be that those bushings could not be purchased separately from Porsche. Anyone know if they can be obtained now?
03-19-2008, 04:25 PM
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They cannot.
However, you can get an entire replacement shift console from Sunset for about $140. Not bad.
Sell your console with the B+M installed and let some masochist fight with it for a while.
However, you can get an entire replacement shift console from Sunset for about $140. Not bad.
Sell your console with the B+M installed and let some masochist fight with it for a while.
03-22-2008, 12:02 AM
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Sure, I'd be interested. But, I don't know which one of us is going to be down a car while the parts ship back and forth! And also, don't say that John and I didn't warn you! (This is an official B&M shifter).
04-03-2008, 06:04 PM
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Jay,
Was doing to disassembly today and I dont think the shifter in the car is worth it. The bushing are pretty worn out. I think you can get replacement bushings thru porshce motorsports for the cup shifter. I have a call into them today to see if this is correct.
Let me know on the short shifter
Chris
Was doing to disassembly today and I dont think the shifter in the car is worth it. The bushing are pretty worn out. I think you can get replacement bushings thru porshce motorsports for the cup shifter. I have a call into them today to see if this is correct.
Let me know on the short shifter
Chris
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04-10-2008, 09:08 AM
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I don't understand the criticism of the B&M short shifter. I have installed one in my '02 S and love it. If properly installed, it is a huge improvement over the factory long throw. In fact, when I drive other's cars with the factory set-up, I always recommend to the owner that they consider installing a short shift. I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder. I could only wish my 911 would shift like this!!! I also assume you wouldn't appreciate driving a GT3, because the feel is similar.
04-10-2008, 01:42 PM
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It's love or hate. Mine was properly installed and adjusted and I just couldn't tolerate it. Obviously Jay feels the same way. The shifts were way too short and way too high-effort. It was impossible to find third gear repeatably with the B+M. When the transmission was cold, I sometimes couldn't even get it into second gear.
The factory shifter is a pretty long throw, but as I learned recently there is an alternative. I installed a 997 GT3 factory Porsche shifter in a friend's Boxster. It comes as an entire shift console for about $150-160 shipped. It's a bit shorter than stock but nowhere near as short or stiff as the B+M. It removes all of the slop from the factory setup.
I installed a new stock shift housing in my car and will never go back to the B+M.
The factory shifter is a pretty long throw, but as I learned recently there is an alternative. I installed a 997 GT3 factory Porsche shifter in a friend's Boxster. It comes as an entire shift console for about $150-160 shipped. It's a bit shorter than stock but nowhere near as short or stiff as the B+M. It removes all of the slop from the factory setup.
I installed a new stock shift housing in my car and will never go back to the B+M.
04-10-2008, 02:46 PM
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The shifts were way too short and way too high-effort. It was impossible to find third gear repeatably with the B+M. When the transmission was cold, I sometimes couldn't even get it into second gear.
I have a cup shifter going in mine as we speak. One weekend with the B&M was more then enough!PS: & I can guarantee you that w/prolonged use in a race environment, the B&M shifted tranny will wear out synchros faster. The short throw makes the shifts too fast so the syncs don't have time to spool up properly.
04-10-2008, 03:20 PM
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Yep. Everyone else is summing it up. It was fine when fully warmed up, not at all good when cold - and we're talking So. Cal. mornings, not Chicago cold. It really called for full arm shifting, never just a shift with the wrist. Mine is a 2000 Boxster S with 6 speed. Maybe it works better with some other cars. And, yes, I too am very confident the B&M was installed properly. Of course everyone is different. That's what makes the world go around. And to be clear, I love heavy force in all sorts of things. This one just wasn't right to me.
I just installed the 997 shifter in my Boxster. It is awesome! It is definitely shorter than stock, a little firmer, but smooth as silk. It makes me realize just how nice leverage is. It is so smooth now, I'd be willing to bet that I shift faster with it than with that short shifter.
I just installed the 997 shifter in my Boxster. It is awesome! It is definitely shorter than stock, a little firmer, but smooth as silk. It makes me realize just how nice leverage is. It is so smooth now, I'd be willing to bet that I shift faster with it than with that short shifter.
04-10-2008, 03:51 PM
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Wow.... the idea of the 997 GT3 shifter for $160 seems like a freaking home run!
I really have to invesigate that one.
Does it ship with a shift linkage that is more solid then the plastic link that is there stock?
I really have to invesigate that one.
Does it ship with a shift linkage that is more solid then the plastic link that is there stock?
