Boxster/S vs. ???...
10-29-2002 | 09:41 PM
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Do you always have to post some stupid comment?
you're the one who always starts with the name calling, it was a decent converation until you stepped in. What's the point of lashing out at every person who comments on the boxter? Are you insecure about something? about the boxter? Seems like you are. You really need to calm down.
you're the one who always starts with the name calling, it was a decent converation until you stepped in. What's the point of lashing out at every person who comments on the boxter? Are you insecure about something? about the boxter? Seems like you are. You really need to calm down.
10-30-2002 | 02:41 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by Silverbullet951:
<strong>Do you always have to post some stupid comment?
you're the one who always starts with the name calling, it was a decent converation until you stepped in. What's the point of lashing out at every person who comments on the boxter? Are you insecure about something? about the boxter? Seems like you are. You really need to calm down.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Totally agree with this comment <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> ! This guy appears to have a 911/928/951 envy complex. Come on just face it... your Boxster is not the greatest or fastest or best handling car Porsche ever made. In fact, the Boxster claims none of those catagories exclusively whereas some of the Porsches you are knocking have claimed very esteemed places in Porsche history. The 928 was once the flagship Porsche and for every year it was made it was the fastest normally aspirated production car Porsche made and shared some its technology with the legendary 959. The 951 has always claimed the title of legendary Porsche handling. I'm not going to begin to even go there with the 911 by comparision. The Boxster is an "ENTRY LEVEL PORSCHE". Can't afford a 911 (or a 928 through years 95) but wanna drive a Porsche, buy a Boxster...bottom line! I give little credit to the notion of the lines on the Boster because IMHO it clearly looks like a Miata chick car to me. However, the style of the car really floats the boat of some folks and I guess it's only fair to appreciate that it is eye candy for some but, it is still undeniably slow (save the Boxster S which has a little bit "mo giddyup")
The Boxster has a little bit of everything but not the absolute best that Porsche had to offer. You can modify a Boxster to drive like a 928 or 911 but by the time you do that then you might as well make the investment in the premium Porsche's.
As for the Carrera GT being a big brother to the Boxster....uuuum, have you ever heard those infamous words "Crack Kills!" Son maybe it is time to check into drug rehab. <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />
<strong>Do you always have to post some stupid comment?
you're the one who always starts with the name calling, it was a decent converation until you stepped in. What's the point of lashing out at every person who comments on the boxter? Are you insecure about something? about the boxter? Seems like you are. You really need to calm down.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Totally agree with this comment <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> ! This guy appears to have a 911/928/951 envy complex. Come on just face it... your Boxster is not the greatest or fastest or best handling car Porsche ever made. In fact, the Boxster claims none of those catagories exclusively whereas some of the Porsches you are knocking have claimed very esteemed places in Porsche history. The 928 was once the flagship Porsche and for every year it was made it was the fastest normally aspirated production car Porsche made and shared some its technology with the legendary 959. The 951 has always claimed the title of legendary Porsche handling. I'm not going to begin to even go there with the 911 by comparision. The Boxster is an "ENTRY LEVEL PORSCHE". Can't afford a 911 (or a 928 through years 95) but wanna drive a Porsche, buy a Boxster...bottom line! I give little credit to the notion of the lines on the Boster because IMHO it clearly looks like a Miata chick car to me. However, the style of the car really floats the boat of some folks and I guess it's only fair to appreciate that it is eye candy for some but, it is still undeniably slow (save the Boxster S which has a little bit "mo giddyup")
The Boxster has a little bit of everything but not the absolute best that Porsche had to offer. You can modify a Boxster to drive like a 928 or 911 but by the time you do that then you might as well make the investment in the premium Porsche's.
As for the Carrera GT being a big brother to the Boxster....uuuum, have you ever heard those infamous words "Crack Kills!" Son maybe it is time to check into drug rehab. <img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" />
10-30-2002 | 08:02 AM
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Why is the 928 called a shark? I think it should be called a hippo or at best 'bear'. A shark is a lean, mean predator. The 928 is a rounded, big-arsed creature. I have never seen a shark with a fat behind!
BTW, I am a fan of 928's and don't mean anything by this. I just don't understand where 'shark' comes from. Might as well call 964's 'giraffes'.
BTW, I am a fan of 928's and don't mean anything by this. I just don't understand where 'shark' comes from. Might as well call 964's 'giraffes'.
10-30-2002 | 01:06 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Christer:
<strong>Why is the 928 called a shark? </strong><hr></blockquote>
Do "pony cars" look like horses?
It is mostly everything to do with the way the car looks when viewed from the front with the head lamps laid back in the off position. It has often been said that it looks like a shark when overtaking another car as viewed through a rear view mirror <a href="http://patedwards.net/images/memorabilia/6.jpg" target="_blank">(See a photo here)</a> . Add in the perfomance component of the car that rear mirror view packs a nice bite into the tail of the car in front of it.
I think the naming is appropriate when I look at the front of the car. By the way that "fat arsed" design you thought so lowly of was the basis for the redesigned 996 (look closley my friend you will see many similarities).
Anyway shouldn't this question be asked over in the 928 community?
<strong>Why is the 928 called a shark? </strong><hr></blockquote>
Do "pony cars" look like horses?
It is mostly everything to do with the way the car looks when viewed from the front with the head lamps laid back in the off position. It has often been said that it looks like a shark when overtaking another car as viewed through a rear view mirror <a href="http://patedwards.net/images/memorabilia/6.jpg" target="_blank">(See a photo here)</a> . Add in the perfomance component of the car that rear mirror view packs a nice bite into the tail of the car in front of it.
I think the naming is appropriate when I look at the front of the car. By the way that "fat arsed" design you thought so lowly of was the basis for the redesigned 996 (look closley my friend you will see many similarities).
Anyway shouldn't this question be asked over in the 928 community?
10-30-2002 | 01:41 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by BrendanCampion:
<strong>. You guys have enough issues with the 911 and 996 crowd with being grouped together with 914s. Its like the 996 guys don't remember that thier car is exactly the same thing - suspension and front clip wise. </strong><hr></blockquote>
I forgot to make a correction here... Part of the suspension of the 996 is derived from the 928 (Weissach axle). It first appeared on the 911 in MY95 of the 993. Lest we also forget that those big brakes that make our 911's and Boxsters stop so well have a part number that begins with the numbers...928 XXX XXX XXX. Yep, the Porsche 928 was the first Porsche to wear that fabulous braking technology in 1986. The Nickasil bores of the Carrera GT and todays 996 first appeared in the ....you guessed it- the 928!
Your Boxster and my 996 may have more in common with the 928 than most of us are willing to admit but does this mean that these cars are decendants of the 928? Probably not, but today our cars are the desendants of some of Porsches greatest technology advancements with first appeared on either the 959 or 928.
<strong>. You guys have enough issues with the 911 and 996 crowd with being grouped together with 914s. Its like the 996 guys don't remember that thier car is exactly the same thing - suspension and front clip wise. </strong><hr></blockquote>
I forgot to make a correction here... Part of the suspension of the 996 is derived from the 928 (Weissach axle). It first appeared on the 911 in MY95 of the 993. Lest we also forget that those big brakes that make our 911's and Boxsters stop so well have a part number that begins with the numbers...928 XXX XXX XXX. Yep, the Porsche 928 was the first Porsche to wear that fabulous braking technology in 1986. The Nickasil bores of the Carrera GT and todays 996 first appeared in the ....you guessed it- the 928!
Your Boxster and my 996 may have more in common with the 928 than most of us are willing to admit but does this mean that these cars are decendants of the 928? Probably not, but today our cars are the desendants of some of Porsches greatest technology advancements with first appeared on either the 959 or 928.
10-30-2002 | 03:00 PM
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Ken2KS:
Your self esteem is obviously tied up in your car. I mean get real, you guys are all alike...scratch together enough cabbage to buy (or make the payments on) a new Porsche and you all know everything there is to know about a Porsche and everything they have ever made, right...wrong. Personally, I have no desire to drive a new 911 or Boxter, and yes I could afford either.
I've spent enough time under all forms of Porsches and I can tell you first hand there is more engineering and use of technology in a 928 than any other Porsche for the same given year. The 928 has a better build quality than ANYTHING Porsche rolls out of its factory today. That is a fact.
But your "S" is sooo much faster than the rest because of your mods. Sorry, without positive manifold pressure, your mods are worth maybe 30-40 additional HP, that is on a good day. Thus you are still sub 300 HP, still not even close to touching the overall performance of a good 996, well built 944 turbo or a 450-500 HP 928.
The rear axle on the 993/996 was derrived straight from the 928, designed in 1971
Aluminum cylinder wall technology, 928, 944, Mercedes...early
Multi-valve heads, 944/928, long before the 911 or Boxter ever had either.
4 piston brakes, another "928 had it first"
Electronic Motronic Injection, again 928/944
Distributorless ignition, 944/928 before 911
Hot Wire air mass sensors, 928...early!
Everybody cuts on the 928 like it was some sort of mistake. Only you air cooled freaks would say something like that. A lot of technology employed in today's Porsches has come straight out of the 944 and 928, and their technology was based on a lot of early water cooled VW work. The original goal of the 928 was to come up with an all aluminum unibody chassis. Porsche and Audi had been toying with that idea for years with involvement from Alcoa.
As for you being the fastest thing on track, well, I'm sure that is very unproven. You remind me of George911V8, who claims to be "untouchable" as well.
As for the Carrera GT being a derrivative of the Boxter, well that is like saying a Cessna Citation Jet was derrived from a Cessna 172. Complete hogwash, your Boxter has absolutely nothing in common with the Carrera GT, except for the fact that they both have 4 wheels. The GT is a purpose built race car, employing inboard suspension a V-10, etc., etc. Other cars had mid-engine configurations as well, not just the Boxter or 914.
I have no desire to dispute HP or speed claims. I know my 928 can hang with any Boster or Boxter S out there and I sleep better at night knowing I don't drive something that everybody else out there has. Maybe I should start counting Boxters instead of Sheep? Plus, I don't have $50,000+ sitting in the garage. As for head turning (not that I care mind you), the 928 still wins, 25+ years after its introduction.
Your self esteem is obviously tied up in your car. I mean get real, you guys are all alike...scratch together enough cabbage to buy (or make the payments on) a new Porsche and you all know everything there is to know about a Porsche and everything they have ever made, right...wrong. Personally, I have no desire to drive a new 911 or Boxter, and yes I could afford either.
I've spent enough time under all forms of Porsches and I can tell you first hand there is more engineering and use of technology in a 928 than any other Porsche for the same given year. The 928 has a better build quality than ANYTHING Porsche rolls out of its factory today. That is a fact.
But your "S" is sooo much faster than the rest because of your mods. Sorry, without positive manifold pressure, your mods are worth maybe 30-40 additional HP, that is on a good day. Thus you are still sub 300 HP, still not even close to touching the overall performance of a good 996, well built 944 turbo or a 450-500 HP 928.
The rear axle on the 993/996 was derrived straight from the 928, designed in 1971
Aluminum cylinder wall technology, 928, 944, Mercedes...early
Multi-valve heads, 944/928, long before the 911 or Boxter ever had either.
4 piston brakes, another "928 had it first"
Electronic Motronic Injection, again 928/944
Distributorless ignition, 944/928 before 911
Hot Wire air mass sensors, 928...early!
Everybody cuts on the 928 like it was some sort of mistake. Only you air cooled freaks would say something like that. A lot of technology employed in today's Porsches has come straight out of the 944 and 928, and their technology was based on a lot of early water cooled VW work. The original goal of the 928 was to come up with an all aluminum unibody chassis. Porsche and Audi had been toying with that idea for years with involvement from Alcoa.
As for you being the fastest thing on track, well, I'm sure that is very unproven. You remind me of George911V8, who claims to be "untouchable" as well.
As for the Carrera GT being a derrivative of the Boxter, well that is like saying a Cessna Citation Jet was derrived from a Cessna 172. Complete hogwash, your Boxter has absolutely nothing in common with the Carrera GT, except for the fact that they both have 4 wheels. The GT is a purpose built race car, employing inboard suspension a V-10, etc., etc. Other cars had mid-engine configurations as well, not just the Boxter or 914.
I have no desire to dispute HP or speed claims. I know my 928 can hang with any Boster or Boxter S out there and I sleep better at night knowing I don't drive something that everybody else out there has. Maybe I should start counting Boxters instead of Sheep? Plus, I don't have $50,000+ sitting in the garage. As for head turning (not that I care mind you), the 928 still wins, 25+ years after its introduction.
10-30-2002 | 05:19 PM
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My 928GT looks like a shark to me, and that's all that really matters to me. What you think it looks like or should be called is irrelevant to me. 
BTW, I like all other Porsches as well, but I prefer my 928. That's just my $0.928. YMMV.
BTW, I like all other Porsches as well, but I prefer my 928. That's just my $0.928. YMMV.
10-30-2002 | 05:31 PM
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Hi Ed, I'm really not poaching on the 928 board, you guys are lost. Or did you folks think you had to come over here to defend the shark's honor?
<img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />
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10-30-2002 | 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by CarreraFour:
Have you ever noticed that BMW, Corvette, Alfa, Ferrari, and other clubs don't have this problem (bashing each other models).
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The difference with Porsche is that they build nothing but sports cars, all of which compete for much the same heart-strings in the market.
BMW makes a range of sedans and coupes (three sizes to chose from!), with an occasional abberation (X- & Z-Series), all of which are based on their sedan platforms. No purpose-built sports cars in their stable (M-Series cars included, much as I love 'em ... they are highly tuned sedans).
Similar situation with Alfa. No real way for consumers to get confused about what they are driving.
Corvette? Well, that isn't a fair comparison, really, as that club is a one-horse show. Oh, and in my experience, they DO have their issues between the various models. More to the point, though, Chevrolet only builds this one sports car, so there isn't much room for consumer confusion, here, either.
Opposite with Ferrari (and much closer to Porsche situation), but what they have over Porsche is exclusivity. There really aren't enough of them on the roads there for the owners to get into such disputes, because if they did, their local chapter of 8 people would be divided into 5 sub-groups! Group dynamics just don't work that way. Porsche, on the other hand, has, much to our benefit and delight, given the masses access to exotic-level performance in a much more reliable sports car. If you can afford a new Honda Civic, you can at least afford a 944 ... including (easy to source, unlike Ferrari) maintenance and requisite (copious, unlike Ferrari) aftermarket upgrades! Thank you so much, Ferdinand!
- Brian
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Originally posted by CarreraFour:
Have you ever noticed that BMW, Corvette, Alfa, Ferrari, and other clubs don't have this problem (bashing each other models).
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The difference with Porsche is that they build nothing but sports cars, all of which compete for much the same heart-strings in the market.
BMW makes a range of sedans and coupes (three sizes to chose from!), with an occasional abberation (X- & Z-Series), all of which are based on their sedan platforms. No purpose-built sports cars in their stable (M-Series cars included, much as I love 'em ... they are highly tuned sedans).
Similar situation with Alfa. No real way for consumers to get confused about what they are driving.
Corvette? Well, that isn't a fair comparison, really, as that club is a one-horse show. Oh, and in my experience, they DO have their issues between the various models. More to the point, though, Chevrolet only builds this one sports car, so there isn't much room for consumer confusion, here, either.
Opposite with Ferrari (and much closer to Porsche situation), but what they have over Porsche is exclusivity. There really aren't enough of them on the roads there for the owners to get into such disputes, because if they did, their local chapter of 8 people would be divided into 5 sub-groups! Group dynamics just don't work that way. Porsche, on the other hand, has, much to our benefit and delight, given the masses access to exotic-level performance in a much more reliable sports car. If you can afford a new Honda Civic, you can at least afford a 944 ... including (easy to source, unlike Ferrari) maintenance and requisite (copious, unlike Ferrari) aftermarket upgrades! Thank you so much, Ferdinand!
- Brian
10-30-2002 | 07:43 PM
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Your first comment kind of set the stage:
"Your self esteem is obviously tied up in your car. I mean get real, you guys are all alike..."
Probably true. I was with you till you added the following comment:
"I sleep better at night knowing I don't drive something that everybody else out there has."
Sounds sort of insecure, I can't imagine how what kind of car you drive affects how you sleep unless you sleep in the car. Ooops, Sorry if I am being insensitive, you have found a fine vehicle to live in.
"Your self esteem is obviously tied up in your car. I mean get real, you guys are all alike..."
Probably true. I was with you till you added the following comment:
"I sleep better at night knowing I don't drive something that everybody else out there has."
Sounds sort of insecure, I can't imagine how what kind of car you drive affects how you sleep unless you sleep in the car. Ooops, Sorry if I am being insensitive, you have found a fine vehicle to live in.
10-30-2002 | 09:10 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Alan Herod:
<strong>Hi Ed, I'm really not poaching on the 928 board, you guys are lost. Or did you folks think you had to come over here to defend the shark's honor?
<img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
UH, actually the 928 defense committee was formed when the Boxster board business crept onto the 928 board with an invitation to come over to the Boxster board and even included an http:// link. (See Below) Then it was exacerbated more further by additional bashing of the 928 then, further questions by a MY90 911C2 Coupe driver about why it is called a "shark" who also incinuated the 928 was a "big arsed creature with a fat-behind"!
You guys should be elated that you are getting so much attention. It is never bad press as long as they spell your name (or in this case Boxster) correctly...right?
POSTED BY "Ken2KS" ON THE 928 BOARD
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Is this 928 owner one of your regulars here?
If so, you might want to check out his claims at:
<a href="http://forums.rennlist.com/forums/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=12&t=000382&p=2" target="_blank">http://forums.rennlist.com/forums/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=12&t=000382&p=2</a>
Please do us Boxster owners a favor and keep this guy locked up in the "928's are da Bomb" room.
Hey I like 928's and this guy is coming over and trying to talk smack.
Thought you might want to know, at least he gave me a good chuckle with his claims...
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<strong>Hi Ed, I'm really not poaching on the 928 board, you guys are lost. Or did you folks think you had to come over here to defend the shark's honor?
<img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
UH, actually the 928 defense committee was formed when the Boxster board business crept onto the 928 board with an invitation to come over to the Boxster board and even included an http:// link. (See Below) Then it was exacerbated more further by additional bashing of the 928 then, further questions by a MY90 911C2 Coupe driver about why it is called a "shark" who also incinuated the 928 was a "big arsed creature with a fat-behind"!
You guys should be elated that you are getting so much attention. It is never bad press as long as they spell your name (or in this case Boxster) correctly...right?
POSTED BY "Ken2KS" ON THE 928 BOARD
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Is this 928 owner one of your regulars here?
If so, you might want to check out his claims at:
<a href="http://forums.rennlist.com/forums/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=12&t=000382&p=2" target="_blank">http://forums.rennlist.com/forums/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=12&t=000382&p=2</a>
Please do us Boxster owners a favor and keep this guy locked up in the "928's are da Bomb" room.
Hey I like 928's and this guy is coming over and trying to talk smack.
Thought you might want to know, at least he gave me a good chuckle with his claims...
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10-30-2002 | 09:44 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by John:
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Aluminum cylinder wall technology, 928, 944, Mercedes...early
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Hey John, 928 has an aluminum block but the cylider walls are Silicon impregnated Nickel (Hence..."nikisil bores")
Nice post though. I agree totally and it really hit home with the truth!
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Aluminum cylinder wall technology, 928, 944, Mercedes...early
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hey John, 928 has an aluminum block but the cylider walls are Silicon impregnated Nickel (Hence..."nikisil bores")
Nice post though. I agree totally and it really hit home with the truth!
10-30-2002 | 10:08 PM
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Keep in mind that I like all Porsches, but love 928s. Still, I get a chuckle from the 356 Registry T-Shirt that reads, "Sure Porsche made cars after 1965, but who cars?" <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" />
10-31-2002 | 12:07 AM
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Alan,
I sleep very well (in a bed thank you) knowing I have not spent a rather huge sum of $$$ on something that I see at least a dozen of every day. I actually prefer to drive my old 5 cylinder S4 Audi with almost 200,000 on the clock. It is very comfortable and performs as well as any new stock S4 Audi out there.
I see more value in upkeeping an older, less expensive classic instead of buying a new car with little to no exclusivity.
The best part is it (928) performs just as well, if not better than a new Porsche, looks just as good (subjective, I know), holds up just as well, and I can keep the other $35,000 (or so) for far more important things in my life. Yes, I like cars, but I do know where to draw the line.
I sleep very well (in a bed thank you) knowing I have not spent a rather huge sum of $$$ on something that I see at least a dozen of every day. I actually prefer to drive my old 5 cylinder S4 Audi with almost 200,000 on the clock. It is very comfortable and performs as well as any new stock S4 Audi out there.
I see more value in upkeeping an older, less expensive classic instead of buying a new car with little to no exclusivity.
The best part is it (928) performs just as well, if not better than a new Porsche, looks just as good (subjective, I know), holds up just as well, and I can keep the other $35,000 (or so) for far more important things in my life. Yes, I like cars, but I do know where to draw the line.