Oilslick964

I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear. The power comparison was between the 350z and the Boxster. My comment about more car for the money (boxster vs. 968) was meant to refer to the overall build quality, excluseivness, and resale value. Sorry for the confusion, sometimes I think faster than I type. Don't get me wrong, I think the Boxster was a cool idea and obviously it sold well. That is part of the problem. Now they are a dime a dozen and ANYONE with a credit score over 500 can own one.

Sean

Vampyre makes a good point. I have a Vintage 550 Spyder. It has 175HP but weighs 1300 pounds - a power/weight ratio of under 8 pounds per HP. It will fly!

dove

Oilslick, I still cant see your point about lack of power with the box,bringing a nissan in to the equation is like chalk and cheese wheres the heritage and the passion in a nissan?? A Boxster was based on a 550 spyder, James Dean,Ferdinand Porsche,Le Mans, Stuttguard Porschewerks,need I say more? Nissan......please.
I have also owned a 968 and was impressed but theres no way it could outhandle a box and for me lacked a certain sportyness.

Paul

dove

Good stuff Vampyre, Any idea what the Lbs for every hp would be for the Boxster "S" against to 350 Z??

Paul

Sean

I think the curb weight for my 2000 Boxster S (plastic rear window) is 2850 pounds, and the stock motor generates 252 HP. So that's 11.3 lbs. per HP...better than the 350Z. I would be interested to see how the 350Z cabriolet compares (cab apparatus generally adds weight).

Oilslick964

The 350z weighs in at a whopping 3540 in cab form. The 0-60 is 5.8and it will go 0.97g's in a left hand turn. I believe the Boxster does 0-60 in 6.2 and pulls 0.98 in a left hand turn. That is pretty close untill you compare base prices: 350z = $33,500 vs Boxster = $43,365. Again, I love the Boxster, but Porsche is losing the race here. Japan is building better cars for less money. Porsche used to quiet the Japanese imports with their quality, durability and secondary market value. Not so any more. I'm depressed just thinking about it, as a long-time Porsche owner. And as far as racing heritage, passion, etc... talk to anyone who owns or has had a 240z, helluva racing heritage and a HUGE following. I'm not trying to sell Nissans, I'd just like to see Porsche wake up and start building better cars.

Vampyre

Your right on!

Your Boxster S is a great Car with a Power to Weight Ratio better then a 350Z Coupe. Your correct the 350Z Roadster is heavier @ a Curb Weight 3428Lbs for a manual transmission. They upped the new 350Z's to 287HP 7 more HP then the first year.

11.9 Lbs for every HP on the 350Z roadster. They are nice cars but for the same money I would buy a USED Boxster or Boxster S.

The 350Z has been around for a while it traces it roots back to the 240Z / 260Z / 280Z / 300Z.

The "Z" series cars are all nice cars, but suffer worse depreciation then the Boxster.

With everyone speaking about Boxster prices / depreciation, I just hope none of you Bought a CAR or a Boxster thinking it was an investment that would MAKE money in a couple of years.

If you thought that your wrong, buy a house instead, they are a safer investment that pay's a return in a couple of years.

Me, I bought a used Boxster, so depreciation was never a worry for me.

To add to this, what seems funny, is no one mentions that a 944 can be bought for about $2500 ~ $5000. These cars were the same price as the Boxster. My 1991 944S2 List price was more then the 1997 Boxster.

What about the 928, these were $60,000+ plus cars, I can get one all day long for 30K and LESS, this is 1/2 off. so when you see Boxster selling for low 20's or high teens, this is about the same ratio, and when I say $30K 928S4I am talking about a cherry 1995 928S4 with very LOW miles under 15,000 miles.

And the 928 isn't even 10 years old.

So again. Look at this as the cycle that most cars go thru, even the 911 can be found at deal prices.

Oilslick964

I will say this, however: There is not a car in the world that costs under $125k (360 Modena) that makes a prettier sound than a Boxster revving between 4500 and 5500 rmps. I can't imagine I'll get any argument on that point.

Vampyre

Ok, I will dis-agree --- I say this. De-snorkel your Boxster or get an EVO intake, that is the SWEETEST sound in the world.


All in all your right the Boxster just love that sound, I want more!

OilSlick - If you haven't de-snorkeled your car it is easy / free / and can be put back to stock. I did my 97 and it sounds SO MUCH BETTER!

Sean

993 Turbos (cars that originally cost $120k) are now selling in the low $60s. Depreciation affects all cars.

Surprisingly, most studies show that the Boxster resists depreciation very well! It's just that the car is originally expensive, so the dollar amounts are larger. But on a percentage basis, it does well.

Perhaps dove can tell us, but I've heard the Boxster holds its value very well in England, because there are fewer right hand drive Boxsters. It's all supply and demand.

dove

Sean,I got this text out of Aprils 2004 911 & Porsche world page 9; The Boxster shows the lowest rate of depreciation of any new car on the UK market,they actually retain 60% of original purchase price after 3 years,the Box beat its closest competitors BMW Z4,X5 and the mercedes CLK with their 55,53, and 52 per cent retentions.A Boxster will be worth around £19,000 $35,000-$36,000 after a three year period.My LHD Box bought for £14,000 $26,000 is looking good
Its believed the reasons for the high resale value apart from continuing disirability,are the affordable entry price,and also the restricted supply of new cars.

Paul

MoreIBNR

How do you de-snorkel?

Vampyre

You remove the intake baffle that is installed by the Factory. What year is your car?

De-Snorkled Mod = Remove the baffle on the intake, and increase the airflow and hear the engine growl after 4000 RPM's. The results are great. The car sounds stock until about 4000 RPM's then the growl kicks in. The HP gains will be very little if any with this mod alone. To get some more HP put in a K&N air filter like I did, this sounds even better!


I'll Email you pictures

MoreIBNR

I sent you a PM. My car is a 2002 base Boxster.

Vampyre

Sent you an e-mail and photos