Sold my Boxster! CHEAP!!!
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I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear. The power comparison was between the 350z and the Boxster. My comment about more car for the money (boxster vs. 968) was meant to refer to the overall build quality, excluseivness, and resale value. Sorry for the confusion, sometimes I think faster than I type. Don't get me wrong, I think the Boxster was a cool idea and obviously it sold well. That is part of the problem. Now they are a dime a dozen and ANYONE with a credit score over 500 can own one.
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Originally posted by Oilslick964
dove,
I think the Boxster is "grossly underpowered" in comparison to the 350z convertible, for example. Especially considering the price difference. Boxsters are pretty and handle incredible well, but the lack of power is very frustrating. There is really not much you can do to remedy that either. Step up to an "S"? The 350z is still faster. I've had 964s, 951s, 968s and even a 993. For the money, the 968 is more car. In my opinion.
dove,
I think the Boxster is "grossly underpowered" in comparison to the 350z convertible, for example. Especially considering the price difference. Boxsters are pretty and handle incredible well, but the lack of power is very frustrating. There is really not much you can do to remedy that either. Step up to an "S"? The 350z is still faster. I've had 964s, 951s, 968s and even a 993. For the money, the 968 is more car. In my opinion.
I have also owned a 968 and was impressed but theres no way it could outhandle a box and for me lacked a certain sportyness.
Paul
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Originally posted by Vampyre
In Your Opinion you are missing the point HP numbers alone are meaningless. You MUST factor in Car WEIGHT
It is Weight to HP that matters! not HP alone.
Do the math!! Weight / HP =
These are the weights for Manual transmission cars
968: 3.0L
Curb weight: 3,086 lbs
Horsepower: 236
13.0 Lbs for every HP
Boxster 2.5L
Curb weight: 2,759 lbs
Horsepower: 201
13.7 Lbs for every HP
.7 is a small difference
Seems like the 968 and 986 are VERY close so much for your "grossly underpowered" theory.
As you can see the 350 is heavier but has a better weight to HP ratio
350Z
Curb weight: 3,197 lbs
Horsepower: 280
11.4 Lbs for every HP
If you want to see amazing HP to Weight numbers try the Corvette or Viper
Woo .... Under 9Lbs per HP
In Your Opinion you are missing the point HP numbers alone are meaningless. You MUST factor in Car WEIGHT
It is Weight to HP that matters! not HP alone.
Do the math!! Weight / HP =
These are the weights for Manual transmission cars
968: 3.0L
Curb weight: 3,086 lbs
Horsepower: 236
13.0 Lbs for every HP
Boxster 2.5L
Curb weight: 2,759 lbs
Horsepower: 201
13.7 Lbs for every HP
.7 is a small difference
Seems like the 968 and 986 are VERY close so much for your "grossly underpowered" theory.
As you can see the 350 is heavier but has a better weight to HP ratio
350Z
Curb weight: 3,197 lbs
Horsepower: 280
11.4 Lbs for every HP
If you want to see amazing HP to Weight numbers try the Corvette or Viper
Woo .... Under 9Lbs per HP
Paul
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I think the curb weight for my 2000 Boxster S (plastic rear window) is 2850 pounds, and the stock motor generates 252 HP. So that's 11.3 lbs. per HP...better than the 350Z. I would be interested to see how the 350Z cabriolet compares (cab apparatus generally adds weight).
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The 350z weighs in at a whopping 3540 in cab form. The 0-60 is 5.8and it will go 0.97g's in a left hand turn. I believe the Boxster does 0-60 in 6.2 and pulls 0.98 in a left hand turn. That is pretty close untill you compare base prices: 350z = $33,500 vs Boxster = $43,365. Again, I love the Boxster, but Porsche is losing the race here. Japan is building better cars for less money. Porsche used to quiet the Japanese imports with their quality, durability and secondary market value. Not so any more. I'm depressed just thinking about it, as a long-time Porsche owner. And as far as racing heritage, passion, etc... talk to anyone who owns or has had a 240z, helluva racing heritage and a HUGE following. I'm not trying to sell Nissans, I'd just like to see Porsche wake up and start building better cars.
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Originally posted by Sean
I think the curb weight for my 2000 Boxster S (plastic rear window) is 2850 pounds, and the stock motor generates 252 HP. So that's 11.3 lbs. per HP...better than the 350Z. I would be interested to see how the 350Z cabriolet compares (cab apparatus generally adds weight).
I think the curb weight for my 2000 Boxster S (plastic rear window) is 2850 pounds, and the stock motor generates 252 HP. So that's 11.3 lbs. per HP...better than the 350Z. I would be interested to see how the 350Z cabriolet compares (cab apparatus generally adds weight).
Your Boxster S is a great Car with a Power to Weight Ratio better then a 350Z Coupe. Your correct the 350Z Roadster is heavier @ a Curb Weight 3428Lbs for a manual transmission. They upped the new 350Z's to 287HP 7 more HP then the first year.
11.9 Lbs for every HP on the 350Z roadster. They are nice cars but for the same money I would buy a USED Boxster or Boxster S.
The 350Z has been around for a while it traces it roots back to the 240Z / 260Z / 280Z / 300Z.
The "Z" series cars are all nice cars, but suffer worse depreciation then the Boxster.
With everyone speaking about Boxster prices / depreciation, I just hope none of you Bought a CAR or a Boxster thinking it was an investment that would MAKE money in a couple of years.
If you thought that your wrong, buy a house instead, they are a safer investment that pay's a return in a couple of years.
Me, I bought a used Boxster, so depreciation was never a worry for me.
To add to this, what seems funny, is no one mentions that a 944 can be bought for about $2500 ~ $5000. These cars were the same price as the Boxster. My 1991 944S2 List price was more then the 1997 Boxster.
What about the 928, these were $60,000+ plus cars, I can get one all day long for 30K and LESS, this is 1/2 off. so when you see Boxster selling for low 20's or high teens, this is about the same ratio, and when I say $30K 928S4I am talking about a cherry 1995 928S4 with very LOW miles under 15,000 miles.
And the 928 isn't even 10 years old.
So again. Look at this as the cycle that most cars go thru, even the 911 can be found at deal prices.
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I will say this, however: There is not a car in the world that costs under $125k (360 Modena) that makes a prettier sound than a Boxster revving between 4500 and 5500 rmps. I can't imagine I'll get any argument on that point.
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Originally posted by Oilslick964
I will say this, however: There is not a car in the world that costs under $125k (360 Modena) that makes a prettier sound than a Boxster revving between 4500 and 5500 rmps. I can't imagine I'll get any argument on that point.
I will say this, however: There is not a car in the world that costs under $125k (360 Modena) that makes a prettier sound than a Boxster revving between 4500 and 5500 rmps. I can't imagine I'll get any argument on that point.
Ok, I will dis-agree --- I say this. De-snorkel your Boxster or get an EVO intake, that is the SWEETEST sound in the world.
All in all your right the Boxster just love that sound, I want more!
OilSlick - If you haven't de-snorkeled your car it is easy / free / and can be put back to stock. I did my 97 and it sounds SO MUCH BETTER!
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993 Turbos (cars that originally cost $120k) are now selling in the low $60s. Depreciation affects all cars.
Surprisingly, most studies show that the Boxster resists depreciation very well! It's just that the car is originally expensive, so the dollar amounts are larger. But on a percentage basis, it does well.
Perhaps dove can tell us, but I've heard the Boxster holds its value very well in England, because there are fewer right hand drive Boxsters. It's all supply and demand.
Surprisingly, most studies show that the Boxster resists depreciation very well! It's just that the car is originally expensive, so the dollar amounts are larger. But on a percentage basis, it does well.
Perhaps dove can tell us, but I've heard the Boxster holds its value very well in England, because there are fewer right hand drive Boxsters. It's all supply and demand.
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Originally posted by Sean
993 Turbos (cars that originally cost $120k) are now selling in the low $60s. Depreciation affects all cars.
Surprisingly, most studies show that the Boxster resists depreciation very well! It's just that the car is originally expensive, so the dollar amounts are larger. But on a percentage basis, it does well.
Perhaps dove can tell us, but I've heard the Boxster holds its value very well in England, because there are fewer right hand drive Boxsters. It's all supply and demand.
993 Turbos (cars that originally cost $120k) are now selling in the low $60s. Depreciation affects all cars.
Surprisingly, most studies show that the Boxster resists depreciation very well! It's just that the car is originally expensive, so the dollar amounts are larger. But on a percentage basis, it does well.
Perhaps dove can tell us, but I've heard the Boxster holds its value very well in England, because there are fewer right hand drive Boxsters. It's all supply and demand.
Its believed the reasons for the high resale value apart from continuing disirability,are the affordable entry price,and also the restricted supply of new cars.
Paul
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How do you de-snorkel?
Originally posted by Vampyre
Ok, I will dis-agree --- I say this. De-snorkel your Boxster or get an EVO intake, that is the SWEETEST sound in the world.
All in all your right the Boxster just love that sound, I want more!
OilSlick - If you haven't de-snorkeled your car it is easy / free / and can be put back to stock. I did my 97 and it sounds SO MUCH BETTER!
Ok, I will dis-agree --- I say this. De-snorkel your Boxster or get an EVO intake, that is the SWEETEST sound in the world.
All in all your right the Boxster just love that sound, I want more!
OilSlick - If you haven't de-snorkeled your car it is easy / free / and can be put back to stock. I did my 97 and it sounds SO MUCH BETTER!
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Originally posted by MoreIBNR
How do you de-snorkel?
How do you de-snorkel?
De-Snorkled Mod = Remove the baffle on the intake, and increase the airflow and hear the engine growl after 4000 RPM's. The results are great. The car sounds stock until about 4000 RPM's then the growl kicks in. The HP gains will be very little if any with this mod alone. To get some more HP put in a K&N air filter like I did, this sounds even better!
I'll Email you pictures