Any hope the GT4 RS and Spyder RS will get classed in Super Street?
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02-03-2024 | 12:13 PM
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Really? Care to elaborate? For one, I don't make the rules, and who knows what new cars will be allowed in SS in the coming years, if any; however, it's unlikely that the SEB will just stop adding new performance sports cars in SS just for the sake of class stability. They may never allow the GT4 RS/Spyder RS, but we know they've already added the C8Z06, and it will only be a matter of time before they allow the 992 GT3. If that's the case, then why not the 718 RSs?
02-05-2024 | 12:38 PM
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I figured it out last year when I moved to XS with the GT3.... The people at the advisory committee level and SEB level literally ruin everything they are actively looking at / "managing". There is literally no hope of an intelligent informed decision.
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02-05-2024 | 05:29 PM
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I understand what you're saying, and I'm not saying you're wrong.
The argument I would make against would be just looking at 2023 nationals, because I was there, and I understand the courses and the weather being still somewhat fresh in my memory. Bucki was second place in a GT4, and he was faster than Yom on the long course. He was only a few tenths quicker than me on the short course, so I would guess he had one bad day. Yom is on another level when he's having a day, Splitting the lead with Yom doesn't sound like a heavily disadvantaged car to me. Looking at the trophies (12), half of the drivers were in a Cayman. Ten out of twelve were in a cayman or a GT3. I'm extrapolating that Bucki's same drive in a GT4 RS would have been at least better than he finished, I would say likely to overcome the 0.6 disadvantage. I think at the very least it's not the right time to disenfranchise Everyone that trophied at nationals last year by plopping the RS in there, Especially when the adoption of the 718 GT4 is only one to two years old. The features of the RS including more metal bearings in the suspension sounds like SP type components to me. I think at least one more year to see what kind of turd the C8Z is, and then plop the GT3 and GT4RS makes more sense than doing it this year. It's not like people can just roll up and buy GT4RSs right now... maybe not ever. We will have to wait and see if their higher production numbers makes them easier to find on the used market.
The argument I would make against would be just looking at 2023 nationals, because I was there, and I understand the courses and the weather being still somewhat fresh in my memory. Bucki was second place in a GT4, and he was faster than Yom on the long course. He was only a few tenths quicker than me on the short course, so I would guess he had one bad day. Yom is on another level when he's having a day, Splitting the lead with Yom doesn't sound like a heavily disadvantaged car to me. Looking at the trophies (12), half of the drivers were in a Cayman. Ten out of twelve were in a cayman or a GT3. I'm extrapolating that Bucki's same drive in a GT4 RS would have been at least better than he finished, I would say likely to overcome the 0.6 disadvantage. I think at the very least it's not the right time to disenfranchise Everyone that trophied at nationals last year by plopping the RS in there, Especially when the adoption of the 718 GT4 is only one to two years old. The features of the RS including more metal bearings in the suspension sounds like SP type components to me. I think at least one more year to see what kind of turd the C8Z is, and then plop the GT3 and GT4RS makes more sense than doing it this year. It's not like people can just roll up and buy GT4RSs right now... maybe not ever. We will have to wait and see if their higher production numbers makes them easier to find on the used market.
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03-21-2024 | 11:13 AM
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Well it appears I'm not the only one who wrote a letter. Per the new April SCCA Fastrack. 
Tech Bulletins
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#35734 Classing of the GT4 RS is SS for 2024 season.... its not too late
Per the SAC and SEB, effective 1/1/2025 add the following new listing in Appendix A:
SS
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718 Cayman GT4(excluding RS) (2020-23)
718 Cayman GT4 RS (2022-2024)
718 Spyder RS (2024)
https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_fi...pdf?1710968794
Tech Bulletins
Street Category
#35734 Classing of the GT4 RS is SS for 2024 season.... its not too late
Per the SAC and SEB, effective 1/1/2025 add the following new listing in Appendix A:
SS
Porsche
718 Cayman GT4
718 Cayman GT4 RS (2022-2024)
718 Spyder RS (2024)
https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_fi...pdf?1710968794
03-21-2024 | 12:31 PM
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It's going to be chaos! LOL
C8Z and and GT4 RS are going to make a lot of people angry who extended themselves into poverty 718 GT4s. My wife bought a 981 GT4 at the end of last season, but I don't really think these moves effect her. If another woman shows up in ladies class and can extract enough out of the new big boy cars to make a difference I think our reaction will probably be hats off, rather than being angry.
C8Z and and GT4 RS are going to make a lot of people angry who extended themselves into poverty 718 GT4s. My wife bought a 981 GT4 at the end of last season, but I don't really think these moves effect her. If another woman shows up in ladies class and can extract enough out of the new big boy cars to make a difference I think our reaction will probably be hats off, rather than being angry.
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03-21-2024 | 04:41 PM
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The Base 992 GT3 Isn't in yet... and the 3RS would move the price point of the class up *another* $200k on top of the $100k they just added. If the older 3RS get a little unloved, They might be ok additions. Not sure that's good for anyone though. There's no sane explanation for adding the new 3RS to SS.
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03-22-2024 | 12:55 PM
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The Base 992 GT3 Isn't in yet... and the 3RS would move the price point of the class up *another* $200k on top of the $100k they just added. If the older 3RS get a little unloved, They might be ok additions. Not sure that's good for anyone though. There's no sane explanation for adding the new 3RS to SS.
03-22-2024 | 01:28 PM
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FYI that requirement is gone now and was being ignored since at least when the 997.2RS was added to SS anyway. Now models under 1000 get "extra scrutiny" when considering classing.
03-22-2024 | 02:56 PM
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03-22-2024 | 06:13 PM
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I already run an SS car in SSP and did pretty well honestly. If not for some mental mistakes I think I would have done a lot better at Nationals (life happens, **** gets on your mind that is not racing related, etc...) but my Day 1 results from the ProFinal and Nationals both left me sitting 1st and 2nd after each 1st day. So running a completely stock car in SS isn't going to go as bad as you might think
03-29-2024 | 01:00 PM
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There's no doubt that the GT4RS has more power than the GT4, which by itself will make it faster on some courses. As someone that's driven all three cars (GT4, GT4RS, and 991.2 GT3) I don't think the RS will be a class killer. I've always thought the GT3 was better than the GT4, even if I pretended that it wasn't. Since I own a GT4, it was easier to convince myself that it was as good as the GT3. But, I drove a GT3 a few years ago for one run and matched the time I had put down in my GT4, and that was with spinning the car through the finish lights.
As someone noted above, the RS is limited to the same tire sizes as the GT4. While this doesn't seem like an issue now, once bigger tires become available in the "it" tires, the GT3s and C8s will be able to take advantage of those, while the GT4s won't be able to.
Also, see the Las Vegas Pro Solo results from earlier this month. Brian Peters (by all accounts one of the aliens of our sport) took the win both weekends on Nankang V2s in weather that topped out at 60-65 degrees, in his C8Z06.
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As someone noted above, the RS is limited to the same tire sizes as the GT4. While this doesn't seem like an issue now, once bigger tires become available in the "it" tires, the GT3s and C8s will be able to take advantage of those, while the GT4s won't be able to.
Also, see the Las Vegas Pro Solo results from earlier this month. Brian Peters (by all accounts one of the aliens of our sport) took the win both weekends on Nankang V2s in weather that topped out at 60-65 degrees, in his C8Z06.
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03-29-2024 | 05:47 PM
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There's no doubt that the GT4RS has more power than the GT4, which by itself will make it faster on some courses. As someone that's driven all three cars (GT4, GT4RS, and 991.2 GT3) I don't think the RS will be a class killer. I've always thought the GT3 was better than the GT4, even if I pretended that it wasn't. Since I own a GT4, it was easier to convince myself that it was as good as the GT3. But, I drove a GT3 a few years ago for one run and matched the time I had put down in my GT4, and that was with spinning the car through the finish lights.
As someone noted above, the RS is limited to the same tire sizes as the GT4. While this doesn't seem like an issue now, once bigger tires become available in the "it" tires, the GT3s and C8s will be able to take advantage of those, while the GT4s won't be able to.
Also, see the Las Vegas Pro Solo results from earlier this month. Brian Peters (by all accounts one of the aliens of our sport) took the win both weekends on Nankang V2s in weather that topped out at 60-65 degrees, in his C8Z06.
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As someone noted above, the RS is limited to the same tire sizes as the GT4. While this doesn't seem like an issue now, once bigger tires become available in the "it" tires, the GT3s and C8s will be able to take advantage of those, while the GT4s won't be able to.
Also, see the Las Vegas Pro Solo results from earlier this month. Brian Peters (by all accounts one of the aliens of our sport) took the win both weekends on Nankang V2s in weather that topped out at 60-65 degrees, in his C8Z06.
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I've been watching the Brian Peters results as they have appeared. I would be very concerned about that car if an unknown was having that much success. As it is, I would have expected him to show as an overdog if the car was going to be a big problem on the available crop of tires. He looks competitive so far, with other know talent battling within some tenths. Seems like an okay addition so far.