sgreer78

I'm not sure you did your math right. If SSR runs a 60 SS needs to run a 61.010 and if SS runs a 60 SSR needs to run a 59.007. That's a lot of time, and PAX is stupid. Also, there is no "they", there is a he, Rick Ruth.

I thought about XSA, but not until at least '23 because I'd like to have a full year in SS.

cmorales954

That's not on a 60 second raw course .. you're describing running on something like a longer 72 sec course. But it doesn't matter. Both are 'right'. These are simple things to calculate.

I like to take 60 secs (raw time) and then apply the factor as its a nice even number.

I've not seen slicks worth so little before, however. In my experience on courses, they are worth closer to 1.5 secs on 60 sec raw. This is against people I have raced with several times on 200tw and suddenly they put on Hoosiers changing nothing else.

chriswd62

Agreed. It's really making me think about getting another set of wheels with Hoosier A7s (265F/315R) for next season, as there are a couple of fun 2-day PAX focused events in Philly and SJR regions.

sgreer78

I'm not sure what you're talking about...If an SSR car runs a 60.000 a SS car needs to run a 61.010 to match it on PAX. That is simple to calculate.

cmorales954

My .84s comment is the pax factored difference between the two.

Again, we're talking about the same thing representing the differences in the same way, all with the same calculations using different length tracks and/or raw times.

AdventureFlea

I experimented with an SSR build (on a 991.2 GT3) and I do think SSR not being touched is a bit confusing. I am not going to say how my experiment went as I had no other SSR cars there to compare myself against. However I can say I would have easily won pax and even with an SSP index I think I was .002 or something from top PAX. Again, good conditions at a location that favors my car and I always do well at this site.

SSP is most likely where I will be next year (with a completely stock GT3) just to see where we land. Because I STILL think my car is an SSR car based on the 718 GT4 being in the class

sgreer78

Agreed. Did you see they also put out the proposal for allowing DSC controllers in SSR too?

AdventureFlea

I did not see that, I tend to not look at much of the SCCA and their BS in the off season.

burglar

Tough crowd.

edfishjr

BS was treated well in this offseason in the new PAX numbers, just so you know.

Auto_Werks 3.6

There isn't a lot of difference between national champion pace in SSR and SSP right now. I don't think may people have elaborate SSP builds at the moment. I anticipate having at least one set of hoosiers this year to try out the SSP experience.

Auto_Werks 3.6

Stern. Stern, but fair.

sgreer78

That treatment had nothing to do with the SCCA.

sgreer78

edfishjr

I was making a joke based on the two meanings of "BS", of course.

And your statement is officially true, so my comment was still somewhat wide of the mark, but it made me think:

I've come to realize that, in spite of all the official denials, unofficially there are clearly multiple connections and influences. This is only natural given the huge importance that PAX now wields in the sport, also true in spite of the numerous official denials, especially because of the ridiculously large number of classes. For instance, there are have been several times in the last few years when RR has made an obvious mistake and, usually only after much pressure, has grudgingly made an immediate change. (FS this year was a prime example.) The inconsistent treatment of certain classes (like CAM vs. XS) seems to show significant, if unofficial, SCCA influence. New classes like those for which there is not data are especially vulnerable. So, RR is clearly not always a lone actor, though he correctly resists various pressures in the attempt to be as fair, accurate and independent as possible.