I jumped on the 4K television bandwagon...
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Yes.
All of the "better" tv's are classified as UPP - unilateral pricing policy.
All big box stores, legit on-line & independents like myself sell for the same price. I follow best buys pricing everyday.
Pm me if you want more info.
All of the "better" tv's are classified as UPP - unilateral pricing policy.
All big box stores, legit on-line & independents like myself sell for the same price. I follow best buys pricing everyday.
Pm me if you want more info.
#18
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I've been in the audio video specialty business for 40 years.
First of all, if you are happy, I'm happy. BUT>>>>>>>>>>>
I do not understand the consumers acceptance of curved screens.
For the last 15 years FLAT has been the rage, because of their thin profile and ability to hang on a wall with out sticking out. Remember that old CRT TV's replaced by flat TV's were also curved with reflection and distortion problems. Samsung's reason for bringing curved TV's out is clear. HDTV's have been huge money losers for companies as the price race to zero continues. They can charge extra for this "improvement" that few other brands have at this time.
There are several problems with curved screens at least as they have come to market now.
One is that the picture changes brightness off axis far more than a flat TV.
People viewing off to the side will not get proper contrast/shadow detail compared to a flat screen.
The second one is potential picture distortion from head movement.
Turn the TV off and allow light from a window or lamp to shine on the blank screen. As you move left to right you will see distorted images reflected back by the screen, a subtle fun house mirror effect.
Regarding 4K, even with a real native 4K source, unless you have a front projector screen that is approaching 100 inches the difference in resolution between 4K and 1080P is not visible at distances of about 10 feet or more.
On a 50" TV you won't see it unless you watch from 4 or 5 feet.
When 720P gave way to 1080P 6-7 years ago, Pioneer had two absolutely identical 50 inch plasma TV's, one 720P, one 1080P. We had them side by side
in my store and with identical 1080P programming being fed to both, one had to be less than 10 feet away from them to see the difference. The higher number (720 -1080 -4K) eventually always sells and becomes the standard because consumers truly don't understand what it is or isn't and the industry is always looking for new sales by making your old equipment seem obsolete.
First of all, if you are happy, I'm happy. BUT>>>>>>>>>>>
I do not understand the consumers acceptance of curved screens.
For the last 15 years FLAT has been the rage, because of their thin profile and ability to hang on a wall with out sticking out. Remember that old CRT TV's replaced by flat TV's were also curved with reflection and distortion problems. Samsung's reason for bringing curved TV's out is clear. HDTV's have been huge money losers for companies as the price race to zero continues. They can charge extra for this "improvement" that few other brands have at this time.
There are several problems with curved screens at least as they have come to market now.
One is that the picture changes brightness off axis far more than a flat TV.
People viewing off to the side will not get proper contrast/shadow detail compared to a flat screen.
The second one is potential picture distortion from head movement.
Turn the TV off and allow light from a window or lamp to shine on the blank screen. As you move left to right you will see distorted images reflected back by the screen, a subtle fun house mirror effect.
Regarding 4K, even with a real native 4K source, unless you have a front projector screen that is approaching 100 inches the difference in resolution between 4K and 1080P is not visible at distances of about 10 feet or more.
On a 50" TV you won't see it unless you watch from 4 or 5 feet.
When 720P gave way to 1080P 6-7 years ago, Pioneer had two absolutely identical 50 inch plasma TV's, one 720P, one 1080P. We had them side by side
in my store and with identical 1080P programming being fed to both, one had to be less than 10 feet away from them to see the difference. The higher number (720 -1080 -4K) eventually always sells and becomes the standard because consumers truly don't understand what it is or isn't and the industry is always looking for new sales by making your old equipment seem obsolete.
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I'll post a pic when I'm back in town this weekend. Loving the new TV...
I wasn't in the market for a curved TV, just a new 4K TV. Curved works in my application.
I wasn't in the market for a curved TV, just a new 4K TV. Curved works in my application.
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Here it is:
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I stopped into Best Buy yesterday and was looking at what is trending in the TV section.
BB is dumping all their 1080p sets; they are being pushed out of the Magnolia area and into the "sets for Commoners" area. I saw a 4k, 55" Samsung for $1k. A 79" 4k was going for $7k, but their Sammie 85" 4k was still at $10k.
I watched the latter TV for awhile. From 12-feet away, I thought I was looking out a window rather than watching an LED TV. Amazing.
I just wonder how these early sets display non-4K programming, which is probably a killer for most of them.
BB is dumping all their 1080p sets; they are being pushed out of the Magnolia area and into the "sets for Commoners" area. I saw a 4k, 55" Samsung for $1k. A 79" 4k was going for $7k, but their Sammie 85" 4k was still at $10k.
I watched the latter TV for awhile. From 12-feet away, I thought I was looking out a window rather than watching an LED TV. Amazing.
I just wonder how these early sets display non-4K programming, which is probably a killer for most of them.
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I jumped "halfway" onto the 4k wagon last year with a JVC e-Shift2 projector. I say this because while it does show 3840x2160 resolution, it doesn't have a 4k input and the e-Shift technology is used to up convert to "4k". The up conversion is quite noticeable, especially with a 1080p source, though I am running a 110" screen so it should be quite pronounced.
Careful with any 4k display purchase at this point in time--a lot of the cheaper models don't support 4k@60hz on any of the inputs, which pretty much means you're not going to be viewing any tolerable 4k video with the device. For example, the popular new Vizio P-series really only supports 4k on one of the inputs. The newer/pricier sets are probably better in this regard, but check it out before buying.
Careful with any 4k display purchase at this point in time--a lot of the cheaper models don't support 4k@60hz on any of the inputs, which pretty much means you're not going to be viewing any tolerable 4k video with the device. For example, the popular new Vizio P-series really only supports 4k on one of the inputs. The newer/pricier sets are probably better in this regard, but check it out before buying.
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Yeah unless the set has HDMI 2.0 or Display port 1.2 your not getting 4k@60hz. 4k IS really nice for pc displays however, playing games on a 28" 4k from 1ft is really really sharp, you just need some serious video card power to do so.
Im holding on to my 1080 panny plasma for a little while longer in the living room, but the PC display is on my hit list.
Im holding on to my 1080 panny plasma for a little while longer in the living room, but the PC display is on my hit list.
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I won a 48" Samsung curved HD (not 4K) as a door prize last fall.
verdict - spectacular picture but to me the curved screen is a gimmick. The same set (processing etc) with flat would be just as good. Watched Guardians of the Galaxy in 3D last week and were pleasantly surprised. Not that we'll buy much if any 3D content but it was surprisingly good. I'll still go downstairs to watch the big projector system for the good stuff but this makes casual watching downright pleasant.
verdict - spectacular picture but to me the curved screen is a gimmick. The same set (processing etc) with flat would be just as good. Watched Guardians of the Galaxy in 3D last week and were pleasantly surprised. Not that we'll buy much if any 3D content but it was surprisingly good. I'll still go downstairs to watch the big projector system for the good stuff but this makes casual watching downright pleasant.
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It was announced at last week's CES that the TV industry has finally settled on UHD standards for color gamut, etc, and new sets that adhere to the standards will appear this Fall.
Receivers and UHD Blu-Ray components should begin appearing this year, also.
Receivers and UHD Blu-Ray components should begin appearing this year, also.
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I bought a TV last week - I wanted a flat, 55" TV, and after hours of research and looking at tellys in JL, I bought a Samsung 55H7000. The best HD set I saw.
Like many ppl, I was totally blown away by the 4k demos running in-store on the 4k TVS.. they really do look amazing. But the lack of content, and standards, rung warning bells for me..
So glad I went with the TV I did. It means I have a cracking TV for a very good price.. which will suit me perfectly for a good few years whilst I watch the 4k development, and no doubt other emerging technologies. And the prices will fall, just like they have over recent years for large screen HD TVs.
Like many ppl, I was totally blown away by the 4k demos running in-store on the 4k TVS.. they really do look amazing. But the lack of content, and standards, rung warning bells for me..
So glad I went with the TV I did. It means I have a cracking TV for a very good price.. which will suit me perfectly for a good few years whilst I watch the 4k development, and no doubt other emerging technologies. And the prices will fall, just like they have over recent years for large screen HD TVs.