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Old 06-18-2016, 11:17 AM
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Welp folks, looks like my car is back in the shop again for another check engine light. After further diagnosis the dealer has determined the issue was fault code p0011 (timing over advanced, bank 1) aka camshaft sleeve slip. I have owned my car for just about two years now and although I have thoroughly enjoyed ever moment of my car it has not been without it share of problems.

First round of issues happened shortly after I bought the car, I had the infamous coolant failure shortly after leaving the dealership that I bought the car from. Porsche fixed the issue after having my car for over a month. Next I had the camshaft spun failure in bank 2 which was fixed after again having my car for 6 weeks. Fast forward to this year now I have the same issue but now with bank 1(p0011). Thank goodness the aftermarket company is covering the fix which is $8500. I've owned several Porsche's in the past and I have to say this car has been in the shop more than it's been on the road. Sorry for the rant folks i'm just really frustrated especially after hearing how reliable and bulletproof these Mezger models are.

fyi,This all happened within 18 months of ownership.
Old 06-18-2016, 11:19 AM
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By the way I have a 2007 997.1TT (68k miles) with 3.0 xpipe speedtech race exhaust and softronic tune
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Really sorry to read of all your troubles ! Really do, that must be very frustrating.
Just as a counterpoint, I have owned my car since 2012 and have had zero issues. None !
The first one I owned, bought new, I sold to my dentist and he has had no issues since. During my ownership the PCM died and had to replace both radiators due to rot as I did not realize one needs to clean them regularly.
So both cars virtually trouble free.

I hope, once you get this new issue resolved, you'll be able to enjoy the car for years without letting you down again.
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I feel for you man. I've had 4 997 turbos, probably 165k between them and only ever had a transmission warranty repair (with unnecessary preemptive coolant pipes) and carbon fiber issues on one. All were mildly modded dd cars with some track time. This may not be the case with yours, but I think a lot of the aftermarket tunes may be too aggressive. Higher hp/boost/tq results in higher temps and more stress on parts.
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There's some downright shoddy engineering in the Meger motor that Porsche should have owned up to. I don't think anything other than E85 tunes accelerate your chances of spinning a cam. It seems to be the up and coming thing as more 07s cross into the 40-50k mile range where this typically happens. Glad I got that one behind me.
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Is this for 2007 engines only? Or all metzger in general??
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It's been seen in '08's and '09's too. There were a lot more '07's made which is why they seem to be associated with most of the failures. To the OP, tough luck, your experience is not the norm. I'm on my second 997TT w/ about 40k combined miles and have had zero failures and no CEL's. Stone cold reliable.
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I just hit 50k miles and runs strong.
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Old 06-19-2016, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by A418t81
There's some downright shoddy engineering in the Meger motor that Porsche should have owned up to. I don't think anything other than E85 tunes accelerate your chances of spinning a cam. It seems to be the up and coming thing as more 07s cross into the 40-50k mile range where this typically happens. Glad I got that one behind me.
What do you mean when you say you've got it behind you? Did you just replace them with new cams or pin them?
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I also pondered with the idea of maybe selling the Turbo and getting a 991s with PDK, so I test drove it and I didn't like it at all. It felt rather slow with no torque, I guess with all the torque in the Turbo i've grown immune to cars that would feel really fast to others.
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Has anyone had any good luck with fixing this issue permanent i.e. pinning cams? If so how's it holiding up? The unfortunate thing is Porsche dealerships won't do pinning or even coolant pipes since these are not a proper Porsche factory supported repairs.
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I have never heard of a properly pinned cam ever failing again so it seems to be a pretty bullet proof solution. Talk to Kevin at UMW, he can pin your cams or at the very least give you great advice.
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sean west at silly rabbit motorsports also pins cams for the 997 turbo
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Originally Posted by bondjockey
It's been seen in '08's and '09's too. There were a lot more '07's made which is why they seem to be associated with most of the failures. To the OP, tough luck, your experience is not the norm. I'm on my second 997TT w/ about 40k combined miles and have had zero failures and no CEL's. Stone cold reliable.
Yeah, more 07s and it seems to either be more related with having some miles on the car, making a lot of torque, or even both. Mine happened on the dyno once the car started making 700 wtq and at 49k miles. That said, there are plenty of stock, low mileage cars that it happened to as well, so who really knows. There are multiple accounts of it happening to a car as soon as they get E85 tunes, or big turbos that make a lot of torque.

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What do you mean when you say you've got it behind you? Did you just replace them with new cams or pin them?
It's behind me because I had the failure, I paid the $8500 out of pocket, and now it's fixed. It isn't an easy failure to deal with either. My car was gone for 2.5 months.


Originally Posted by xxdachosen1xx
Has anyone had any good luck with fixing this issue permanent i.e. pinning cams? If so how's it holiding up? The unfortunate thing is Porsche dealerships won't do pinning or even coolant pipes since these are not a proper Porsche factory supported repairs.
Pinning permanently fixes the issue. I don't expect to ever have that problem again.
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Originally Posted by xxdachosen1xx
...The unfortunate thing is Porsche dealerships won't do pinning or even coolant pipes since these are not a proper Porsche factory supported repairs.
A good OPC will do the pinning work on your coolant lines and cam if you talk them through it.


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