agsurf5

hi,

i don't seem to be able to find a straight answer on my doubts.

i am looking into buying a 997.1 TT.

i had a 997.1 C2S. loved it and sold it only for family reasons. i liked how easily it was to slide it out of turns. and the sport option was perfect. honestly the PSM that saved me from going all the way around a couple of times.

i was thinking of getting a 993 C2 (s) but i am not sure i can handle the car here in the northeast without the PSM. i am a decent driver, but no expert at all. i am getting scared of not being able to handle it with my driving capacity.

i also had a 964 C4. and i remember it was impossible to get her to oversteer. no matter the road conditions. it was perfectly balanced all the time (with eventually a touch of understeer).
nice, but i believe the fun is in shaking the back once in a while. so at the end i found it boring.

my question is: does the 997.1 TT power slide the back to the 15 degrees ( or 25 with sport option) just like a C2S do? or is it perfectly on the road all the time like my old C4?

and on another note, does the axle differential lock make a difference on the sliding?

thanks,
alberto

aa909

You're talking about on the track right?

agsurf5

No. Real Life driving. Nothing insane, but the occasional second or third gear tail drift...

mm450exc

You bet the diff lock makes a difference.

GTRNICK

You need to change the suspension setup to get some 4 wheel drift otherwise it will be similar to the old c4!

NoPasaran

I have manual 997 Turbo, with rear diff, H&R springs, 20" with 245 and 325 tyres and tuned to 570hp 550lbft.

99% of time I drive with sport mode ON, PASM OFF (that is, Normal), PSM OFF. I cannot get the back of the car out, I am pushing it on fast sweeping corners and at (empty) crossections as much as I dare, but all I get is occassional and very quick wiggle, then awd takes care of things. Maybe I do something wrong, but I cannot bring the rear out...

The only time I drive with PSM ON is in heavy rain on the highway.

mm450exc

This is how it's done...

NoPasaran

Yeah, this is great! I've seen this video many a time.
There are two problems with it:
1) It is Jason Plato
2) He is on track

I am no race driver and I do not go to track, what I want is to have some fun on normal roads, mountain roads, and I cannot fathom how to make it dance, I do not know the technique, and I think if I push it more than I do already, in my own clumsy way, it will bite me.

Oh, another thing, I think Jason is wrong when he says "majority of the time it drives very much like RWD car". It is full-time AWD with something like 40:60 split. Porsche improved on 997.2 making it a bit more RWD.

mm450exc

No - more like 10% if in normal conditions. 40:60 is max.

Doc GTO

i live in a low traffic mini-farm area so I have nice little side roads that have tight corners and I can get my *** out with ease with a quick blip of the throttle and slow drift it a bit. This is with PSM shut off. In sport mode it will give you a little but not more then 20 degrees or so.

Twinturbom3

depends on road surface.

on a poor / middle quality asphalt, during a 90 deg turn, you can modulate with the steering wheel and turn the 997 tt 45-60 degrees, this is from very low speeds such as 10 mph onwards. Up to your talents...

agsurf5

docGTO and twinturbom3. sounds good.
how different from the 911S it is? i had your same 2006 C2S and the back end was loose whenever i wanted (on farm roads and tight corners).

dianic

It is very different.
You are comparing a 4 wheel drive with a rear wheel drive. And a normally aspirated engine with a turbo engine, which naturally has some lag, and then power comes on sharp.

There is no comparison to drifting the two cars, and you should not think you will be able to drift the TT as easy. It requires more rpm, and thus more speed, and it can get very hairy very quickly.

Having said that, you can. Just be prepared. And the 964 was far from balanced. It was underpowered! I have a friend who had one and was speed drifting it endlessly, but not power drifting it.

GTRNICK

since i changed all my suspension components there is a huge difference in the handling!!

NoPasaran

What's the technique to do this? Do I have to be at 5000rpm, brake quickly, turn the steering wheel and add on gas?
On any kind of asphalt I cannot bring the rear out even 20 degrees, the AWD reels me in. Maybe it is because of 325 tyres and rear diff?