st_can

Hi,

I an trying to figure out if the RMS installation tool for the 997 would be the same as the 997TT. If it's different. Is there anything out there for sale?

Thanks

lliejk

According to a doc in the WM's I have it is tool 9699. The depth setting is important (a post I found referred to the screws on the tool). I have never seen the tool personally, but see it mentioned in this WM: [911turbo997_engine_repair] as well as in a post for the 997 GT2/Gt3 forums by MJ Speed (post # 7):

Repair Main Seal 997 Gt2 Gt3 forum

Ed

st_can

That tool doesn't list the Turbo car as compatible. The seal looks like a different part number for the turbo and non-turbo car. I am not sure if it's 13mm for the Turbo as it's 13mm for the non-turbo.
I was going to purchase some cheaper version of the tool, again I don't see list as compatible for the Turbo car

lliejk

Tricky bastards. The WM Number referred to in the manual I spoke about in the previous post shows a different tool: 9517 (I attached the WM here). Unfortunately from what I understand about Porsche Docs, if the same procedure is to be used you have to refer to that WM (like using a 996 WM - I forget the example someone who knows much more about Porsche tech than I ever will - on a 997). I do not know if that is the case here or if there's another reason for 2 different tool numbers.

So..... who knows. Both of the docs, the original saying 9699:

and this one giving 9517:






Both talk about the rear main seal on a 997 turbo, the first has the word "turbo" in it's title and the inside cover page says Workshop Manual, 911 Carrera/Turbo (997), Group 1, Engine, the second is in the 9971 (2009 and back) WM section where other WM's I have used for engine work reside. I have not used the first doc in any previous work so I cannot speak personally about any flaws or deprecated information there. Even worse, later on in the first doc you see this:



Which is just like the one from the post on the 997 GT2-GT3 forum. (See below)

I only did some peeking searching online, but a shop may be the best source of what tool. I can ask my P-Car guy if you can't find a definitive answer. Maybe the two tools get to the same result differently, with the 9517 allowing adjustments for other depths of the same diameter seal and the 9699 only working for the 997 turbo (and according the other post, the 997, GT2 & GT3 cars)?

The weird thing is the 2nd picture in the WM looks more like this one (with the same part number):




The more I look at the picture in the post and the more I read the WM, the first couple of tools referred to in the Porsche docs do NOT seem to be adjustable You place the tool and crank it down. The second tool (and the pic in the post) obviously are with those threaded screws.

So even though I can see a decent amount of information from what I have and what I found, I have no flippin' clue what's right or wrong or if both are right. I hate not knowing definitely.

Let me know and I will call the guy.

Ed

st_can

https://www.rauchandspiegel.com/prod...h-2008-models/

They don't list as compatible with the Turbo

Going to try to reach out to some shop

lliejk

Ok. I am not sure that site’s list is comprehensive enough to draw any conclusions

Let me know if you are unsuccessful.

Ed

st_can

The correct part for the Mezger engine is 9719
Porsche part # 000-721-971-90
https://www.ebay.com/itm/323825693093

jayi836

Thanks for the information, you have one to sell or rent?.
So the 9699 is too small and the WM is wrong listing the 9517.
I will search for a 9719
The WM is also wrong about the clutch alignment (9102) and flywheel lock tool (9538/1)9719 or 95179719 or 9517 9719 or 95179719719 or 95179 or 9517

st_can

The 9719 is the correct part. Work perfect.

I can sell you mine. $500

jayi836

My new RMS still made by Kraco your says Porsche and same 999.113.426.41
I'll PM you
Did you need to rotate the crank 720 degrees afterwards?

st_can

You just need to match the pin on the flywheel. Really easy

jayi836

Thanks PM sent!

st_can

I can't send you PM. Can you see if your mailbox is full?

I sent you an email

jayi836

Follow up 9719 tool used on my second Porsche seal leaked for the first 500 miles and seems to be done with its bad behavior. fingers crossed no more leaks this is a complete PITA to replace.
Looks like it has to be pushed all the way in.
Glad its over.

wingnut1961

My old seal was hanging out of the case a little and was weeping slightly at the bottom. The tool sets it in at the PAG specified depth. I haven't run mine since I made the video (linked) to see if it won't leak. But I have no reason to believe it will. I made this as a quick guide.