Would you buy this car? (over-rev data)
01-05-2018, 12:15 AM
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Too funny. Most people buy a car by driving it, looking at it, dreaming about it, and falling in love with it's features and feel.
Now, we're buying cars based on #'s, charts, graphs, data, etc. (?)
It's just all so weird to me. I'm more of a feel and intuition person than a data person.
Now, we're buying cars based on #'s, charts, graphs, data, etc. (?)
It's just all so weird to me. I'm more of a feel and intuition person than a data person.
01-05-2018, 01:11 AM
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According to the many experts on here, RUN FASTER! Perfectly fine car. I know a guy that knows a friend who's best friend knows another guy who can make those values read whatever you like! $500.00. No history of anything after "they are done". You just have to ship the ECU to Alemania. Germany. With that being said, it proves that the over revs registers don't have any implications whatsoever. All freaking nonesense if you think about it. Buy the car and have a quality PPI.
if it's a clean ppi and s nice car, I'd pull the trigger.
01-06-2018, 02:42 AM
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01-06-2018, 06:40 PM
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Thanks everyone. It had a new DME in 2013 and the Porsche main dealer has confirmed.
I’m also looking at another car. The DME download is as follows. What would you advise? It is being sold by a very reputable independent Porsche dealer. They have agreed to do a compression test before sale and will provide a warranty that pays up to £10,000 per claim, for 12 months/12,000 miles:
6: 1 ignition @ 783hrs
5: 9 ignitions @ 946hrs
4: 27 ignitions @ 946hrs (9 revolutions, 0.22 secs)
3: 644 ignitions @ 946hrs (215 revolutions, 0.03 mins, 1.79 secs)
2: 5836 ignitions @ 946hrs (1945 revolutions, 0.3 mins)
1: 31260 ignitions @ 946hrs (10420 revolutions, 1.5 mins)
Total operating hours: 946.2. Mileage 28,000 miles
I’m also looking at another car. The DME download is as follows. What would you advise? It is being sold by a very reputable independent Porsche dealer. They have agreed to do a compression test before sale and will provide a warranty that pays up to £10,000 per claim, for 12 months/12,000 miles:
6: 1 ignition @ 783hrs
5: 9 ignitions @ 946hrs
4: 27 ignitions @ 946hrs (9 revolutions, 0.22 secs)
3: 644 ignitions @ 946hrs (215 revolutions, 0.03 mins, 1.79 secs)
2: 5836 ignitions @ 946hrs (1945 revolutions, 0.3 mins)
1: 31260 ignitions @ 946hrs (10420 revolutions, 1.5 mins)
Total operating hours: 946.2. Mileage 28,000 miles
01-06-2018, 06:59 PM
#24
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Whew, that one just had a botched shift a few minutes ago. (Bad test drive?)
While I'm firmly in the camp that over revs are way over hyped, I'd want that car to get another few hours under its belt before I'd move on it. Maybe they'd let you test drive it for the day or weekend?
I mean, it's probably fine, and that warranty should take care of anything that does come up, but still...
While I'm firmly in the camp that over revs are way over hyped, I'd want that car to get another few hours under its belt before I'd move on it. Maybe they'd let you test drive it for the day or weekend?
I mean, it's probably fine, and that warranty should take care of anything that does come up, but still...
01-07-2018, 05:42 AM
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The owner denies over-revving it. The Porsche specialist denies as well. That just leaves the driver who brought it back to the owner after it's service at the OPC last month. I would imagine the OPC would deny any responsibility as well. We will never know where they came from. The recordings in range 5 & 6 are less than 10, so spurious, according to 911Virgin's guide here http://www.911virgin.com/porsche/rev-range-information/
Seems that every car I look at has been over-revved. There is such a wide range of opinion on the significance. I like this one, despite it's data, so we have agreed that a compression test will be included in the price & a gold warranty, that covers up to £10k per claim. It's nice low mileage (28k miles), so it would seem to me that the best thing I can do is get 1500-3000 miles on it over the summer, whilst it has a rock solid warranty, and that should get it to well over 50 hrs of operating time, making it much more saleable, in case I ever needed to sell it (not that I hope I'll ever want to or need to).
I'm buying it primarily as an investment, in the hope that it will at least maintain its value over the next 10-15 years, but hopefully gradually increase a bit each year. I don't therefore plan to sell it for many years (if at all, and my son has already told me he's inheriting it
). It will also be great to have a 911 again though, as I enjoyed my 993 very much for 7 years. Assuming it gains value, and knowing it will have considerable fun factor, there is an argument that even more important as an investment are: low miles, manual gearbox, impeccable full Porsche main dealer service history, GT silver (rarer and some would say nicer that Arctic silver). Engines can need rebuilds for other reasons e.g. sudden coolant loss etc, so that's just a risk you take ultimately. I think I'll go for this one, as long as compression test & extended test drive are ok. Wish me luck!
Seems that every car I look at has been over-revved. There is such a wide range of opinion on the significance. I like this one, despite it's data, so we have agreed that a compression test will be included in the price & a gold warranty, that covers up to £10k per claim. It's nice low mileage (28k miles), so it would seem to me that the best thing I can do is get 1500-3000 miles on it over the summer, whilst it has a rock solid warranty, and that should get it to well over 50 hrs of operating time, making it much more saleable, in case I ever needed to sell it (not that I hope I'll ever want to or need to).
I'm buying it primarily as an investment, in the hope that it will at least maintain its value over the next 10-15 years, but hopefully gradually increase a bit each year. I don't therefore plan to sell it for many years (if at all, and my son has already told me he's inheriting it
). It will also be great to have a 911 again though, as I enjoyed my 993 very much for 7 years. Assuming it gains value, and knowing it will have considerable fun factor, there is an argument that even more important as an investment are: low miles, manual gearbox, impeccable full Porsche main dealer service history, GT silver (rarer and some would say nicer that Arctic silver). Engines can need rebuilds for other reasons e.g. sudden coolant loss etc, so that's just a risk you take ultimately. I think I'll go for this one, as long as compression test & extended test drive are ok. Wish me luck!
01-07-2018, 10:35 AM
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Thanks everyone. It had a new DME in 2013 and the Porsche main dealer has confirmed.
I’m also looking at another car. The DME download is as follows. What would you advise? It is being sold by a very reputable independent Porsche dealer. They have agreed to do a compression test before sale and will provide a warranty that pays up to £10,000 per claim, for 12 months/12,000 miles:
6: 1 ignition @ 783hrs
5: 9 ignitions @ 946hrs
4: 27 ignitions @ 946hrs (9 revolutions, 0.22 secs)
3: 644 ignitions @ 946hrs (215 revolutions, 0.03 mins, 1.79 secs)
2: 5836 ignitions @ 946hrs (1945 revolutions, 0.3 mins)
1: 31260 ignitions @ 946hrs (10420 revolutions, 1.5 mins)
Total operating hours: 946.2. Mileage 28,000 miles
I’m also looking at another car. The DME download is as follows. What would you advise? It is being sold by a very reputable independent Porsche dealer. They have agreed to do a compression test before sale and will provide a warranty that pays up to £10,000 per claim, for 12 months/12,000 miles:
6: 1 ignition @ 783hrs
5: 9 ignitions @ 946hrs
4: 27 ignitions @ 946hrs (9 revolutions, 0.22 secs)
3: 644 ignitions @ 946hrs (215 revolutions, 0.03 mins, 1.79 secs)
2: 5836 ignitions @ 946hrs (1945 revolutions, 0.3 mins)
1: 31260 ignitions @ 946hrs (10420 revolutions, 1.5 mins)
Total operating hours: 946.2. Mileage 28,000 miles
they should be able to work out who did that!
01-07-2018, 04:47 PM
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Buying it as a low-mileage driver that you hope increases in value? Sure, go for it. But buying primarily as an investment, especially with that DME? Not sure that makes sense..
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01-07-2018, 06:11 PM
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I made £5 or $6 on my last one, 'Happy days'
01-07-2018, 08:12 PM
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Agree. If the only purpose is to look pretty in the garage and go up in value some day, none of these cars seems like the right ticket to me. That 4500-mile slate grey 08 posted here would be a safer bet, with the crazy low miles and (presumably) no-stories history making it more of a unicorn than something that already has 30k miles or more and DMEs that picky Porsche shoppers don't like, IMO.