SC + TC on 7.2 GT3
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Old thread but seems appropriate to ask here:
Test drove an RS .2, acts like TC-SC is activating when not necessary. Spirited driving on canyon roads, quit often, turning in left or right feels like the brakes are slightly tapping on and tail will wiggle, sometimes front will wiggle too. Driving is nowhere near the limit. Finally it crossed my mind to turn the TC-SC off and it went away.
Also note: front Michelin PSC (original) and rear Bridgestone Protenza, air pressure is equal side to side.
What could be causing this?
Tim
Test drove an RS .2, acts like TC-SC is activating when not necessary. Spirited driving on canyon roads, quit often, turning in left or right feels like the brakes are slightly tapping on and tail will wiggle, sometimes front will wiggle too. Driving is nowhere near the limit. Finally it crossed my mind to turn the TC-SC off and it went away.
Also note: front Michelin PSC (original) and rear Bridgestone Protenza, air pressure is equal side to side.
What could be causing this?
Tim
If you're contemplating the purchase of a car with old AND mismatched tires, insist that the seller fit new Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires.
Who in the world would mismatch tires on a $200k+ GT3 RS?
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I've rarely felt my TC come on on the street. Recently had the car at a car wash and they decided to armor all my tires and got some on the tread. First drive off the lot the tires spin a bit, but the throttle just goes to 0 and you see a blinking light and bam on your way...no chatter of rear brakes in this case.
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Should not kick in at reasonable street speeds; I've never had SC kick in on the street, TC only occasionally (worn tires, wet, etc.).
If you're contemplating the purchase of a car with old AND mismatched tires, insist that the seller fit new Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires.
Who in the world would mismatch tires on a $200k+ GT3 RS?
If you're contemplating the purchase of a car with old AND mismatched tires, insist that the seller fit new Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires.
Who in the world would mismatch tires on a $200k+ GT3 RS?
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This happens on my 2010 GT3 unless I use N-rated tires. I think the
threshold for activating SC is too low. Maybe some cars are more
sensitive since some people see a problem and others don't.
threshold for activating SC is too low. Maybe some cars are more
sensitive since some people see a problem and others don't.
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Could the wiggle be contributed to the stock diff? Has anyone noticed any wiggle when going to a Guard diff.?
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Owner punctured one rear MPSC and believe it or not the receipt of the Bridgestone replacement tires indicate the purchase and mounting was provided by the owners Porsche dealer! Owner didn't want to pay the price for new MPSC's.
Is the "threshold" programmable or calibrated by the dealer? If so, is it necessary when changing a brand of tire or a different diameter tire? Why do you think an N-rated tire makes a difference?
I don't think so, the issue does not exist with the TC-SC turned off. And when I say "wiggle" it's more like a feeling of the brake tapping on in one corner of the car rather that equal from side to side.
BTW, when the issue occurs there are no dash warning lights. I'm not buying the car, I'm only trying to help the owner diagnose the issue.
BTW, when the issue occurs there are no dash warning lights. I'm not buying the car, I'm only trying to help the owner diagnose the issue.
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With N-rated tires I don't feel the "wiggle" but with non-N-rated tires I do.
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Owner punctured one rear MPSC and believe it or not the receipt of the Bridgestone replacement tires indicate the purchase and mounting was provided by the owners Porsche dealer! Owner didn't want to pay the price for new MPSC's.
Is the "threshold" programmable or calibrated by the dealer? If so, is it necessary when changing a brand of tire or a different diameter tire? Why do you think an N-rated tire makes a difference?
I don't think so, the issue does not exist with the TC-SC turned off. And when I say "wiggle" it's more like a feeling of the brake tapping on in one corner of the car rather that equal from side to side.
BTW, when the issue occurs there are no dash warning lights. I'm not buying the car, I'm only trying to help the owner diagnose the issue.
Is the "threshold" programmable or calibrated by the dealer? If so, is it necessary when changing a brand of tire or a different diameter tire? Why do you think an N-rated tire makes a difference?
I don't think so, the issue does not exist with the TC-SC turned off. And when I say "wiggle" it's more like a feeling of the brake tapping on in one corner of the car rather that equal from side to side.
BTW, when the issue occurs there are no dash warning lights. I'm not buying the car, I'm only trying to help the owner diagnose the issue.
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Old thread but seems appropriate to ask here:
Test drove an RS .2, acts like TC-SC is activating when not necessary. Spirited driving on canyon roads, quit often, turning in left or right feels like the brakes are slightly tapping on and tail will wiggle, sometimes front will wiggle too. Driving is nowhere near the limit. Finally it crossed my mind to turn the TC-SC off and it went away.
Also note: front Michelin PSC (original) and rear Bridgestone Protenza, air pressure is equal side to side.
What could be causing this?
Tim
Test drove an RS .2, acts like TC-SC is activating when not necessary. Spirited driving on canyon roads, quit often, turning in left or right feels like the brakes are slightly tapping on and tail will wiggle, sometimes front will wiggle too. Driving is nowhere near the limit. Finally it crossed my mind to turn the TC-SC off and it went away.
Also note: front Michelin PSC (original) and rear Bridgestone Protenza, air pressure is equal side to side.
What could be causing this?
Tim
- Sport mode button
- TC off
- SC off
- Clear warning message on the obc 😃
Since I apply this procedure VERY carefully, I have not experienced it on the RS
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I don't think so, the issue does not exist with the TC-SC turned off. And when I say "wiggle" it's more like a feeling of the brake tapping on in one corner of the car rather that equal from side to side.
BTW, when the issue occurs there are no dash warning lights. I'm not buying the car, I'm only trying to help the owner diagnose the issue.
BTW, when the issue occurs there are no dash warning lights. I'm not buying the car, I'm only trying to help the owner diagnose the issue.
change the rubber to be the same all round, that should cure this; if you think about this, you have different tires F/R which is impacting the relative
slip angles which the TC+SC is detecting and intervening.
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I've had this EXACT SAME issue with my 2011 GT3. Tires are Michelin Super Sports. Been driving me nuts for years! And needless to say, it has scared the $hit out of me a few too many times.
Took it to local Orlando dealer...no luck.
Sent it to Champions...no luck. (Awesome guys, btw!)
Took it locally to Rum Bum Racing...no luck. (Also awesome guys!) However, their theory is that the yaw control sensor is out of wack, causing the computer to apply the brakes. They and I sat in their garage going back and forth over possibilities, but at the end of the day, we decided it can't be something mechanical as it completely goes away with the push of a button, meaning electrical. Keep in mind that I had my car at Champions for over a month, checking brakes, hubs, alignment, suspension bits, wheels, etc. Currently waiting for Rum Bum's (outsourced) guy to check it.
For now, I turn off the SC and it's all good.
Took it to local Orlando dealer...no luck.
Sent it to Champions...no luck. (Awesome guys, btw!)
Took it locally to Rum Bum Racing...no luck. (Also awesome guys!) However, their theory is that the yaw control sensor is out of wack, causing the computer to apply the brakes. They and I sat in their garage going back and forth over possibilities, but at the end of the day, we decided it can't be something mechanical as it completely goes away with the push of a button, meaning electrical. Keep in mind that I had my car at Champions for over a month, checking brakes, hubs, alignment, suspension bits, wheels, etc. Currently waiting for Rum Bum's (outsourced) guy to check it.
For now, I turn off the SC and it's all good.
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Tires and maybe alignment. As most have said, it's crazy someone skimped on this car. Not a good indicator. Hard to tell if there's a bigger problem with tires exacerbating it.