WOW!! A technical suspension question/discussion
#17
Absolutely. That's the Dynamic in DSC(Dynamic Suspension Control). Based on inputs(vehicle speed, throttle angle, steering angle, and lateral, longitudinal, and vertical g-force) it changes the damping force on each shock. In this situation it will increase rear compression only until the acceleration g-force spike peaks and then the compression will taper off accordingly. When the input load range is high enough it will momentarily increase front rebound as well. DSC Mode 3 makes these changes more pronounced than in Mode 2.
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2023 Porsche Sprint Challenge 992 Cup Am Champion
2023 Porsche Sprint Challenge GT4 Pro-Am Team Champion
2022 Porsche Sprint Challenge 992 Cup & 991 Cup Champion
2020 IMSA GT3 Cup Challenge 2nd Championship
2018 IMSA GT3 Cup Challenge 2nd Championship
2016 IMSA GT3 Cup Challenge Champion
2013 IMSA GT3 Cup Challenge Champion
2006 Rolex-24 @ Daytona GT Champion
2004 Grand-Am SGS Class Champion
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#22
Sounds to me like the back end is really hooking up well and you have some room to get some more grip in the front .You can try a lot of what's been suggested just try the suggestions one at a time.It is really fun to fly into corner entry like you're talking about but the big differentiator is corner EXIT speed.
Easy change would be one hole stiffer in the rear .
Big change would be raise rear ride height.
Anything you do to add front grip reduces rear grip.have fun!
Easy change would be one hole stiffer in the rear .
Big change would be raise rear ride height.
Anything you do to add front grip reduces rear grip.have fun!
#26
Do the bars - one stiffer in the rear and one softer in the front. It's free and easy to do, so I'd do that before you do anything else. Your setup is extremely pushy and seems to be covering up some other problem (rear toe or diff, I'd guess).
#27
Also, for a ~50mph corner, if you are in 3rd gear, you will have a ton of rear grip, and you can't get the car to rotate on throttle because you are too low in the powerband, and you will have to use the technique stated above.
Perfect example is the Keyhole at Mid-O. With our cars (gearing), the fastest way is using 2nd gear on entry to exit, but it requires you not overslow on entry, and be aggressive on throttle. It rotates the car perfectly, usually with a slight oversteer correction right at track out curbing, but you have to get comfortable with going flat a lot earlier than you think, to use the throttle to rotate the car more. In 3rd, you just can't do this, as the car will simply understeer because you are too low in the powerband to rotate on aggressive throttle.
For slow corners that allow it (on exit), try 2nd gear.....you have up to about 85mph. It's just a bit more difficult because people tend to overslow the car when going down to 2nd.
Plus, slow 2nd gear corners are just fun when you get bored with trying for fast laps and just want to be a hooligan
#28
Guys, this is all really great stuff, thank you. To keep things simple, I will make a small sway Bar change for my upcoming track day and play with it throughout the day to see if I like it. The last thing that makes the situation difficult is that I autocross this car as well, and like the car with a bunch of rear grip. Corner exit is not as important at AX since the turns don’t “typically” lead onto long straights, but instead into an immediate turn. When driven aggressively (to get the car to rotate around the cones) my current setup allows the car to stick really well, but pushes at exit.
I may have to run the front bar a little softer at AX for corner exit, and see if that benefits me at the big track as well. I always try to have a single setup that works well everywhere, but I guess that’s a little ambitious.
Some have asked about the LSD…well, the car has 30K on it and the LSD is original. I know it’s toast, but going with a guard diff right now isn't an option so I’m doing what I can with the suspension adjustment.
Thanks again for everyone’s input!
I may have to run the front bar a little softer at AX for corner exit, and see if that benefits me at the big track as well. I always try to have a single setup that works well everywhere, but I guess that’s a little ambitious.
Some have asked about the LSD…well, the car has 30K on it and the LSD is original. I know it’s toast, but going with a guard diff right now isn't an option so I’m doing what I can with the suspension adjustment.
Thanks again for everyone’s input!
#29
If LSD is toast it really sucks on track. Do the non scientific test. Jack up one rear wheel with ebrake off a piece of plywood on front tire so it doesn't roll. Try to spin the jacked up wheel cw or ccw. If no resistance pretty sure it's toast. With my guard lsd could not budge either way. If squirrley braking sounds like its going bad on u. Can't power out of turns or rotate and cannot deep brake if LSD is fully kaput. Mike
#30
If LSD is toast it really sucks on track. Do the non scientific test. Jack up one rear wheel with ebrake off a piece of plywood on front tire so it doesn't roll. Try to spin the jacked up wheel cw or ccw. If no resistance pretty sure it's toast. With my guard lsd could not budge either way. If squirrley braking sounds like its going bad on u. Can't power out of turns or rotate and cannot deep brake if LSD is fully kaput. Mike