Pagid RSC-1
03-28-2014, 03:15 PM
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Pagid RSC-1
Got a set of these from Craig and ran it for two events. This pad is worth trying for guys who track with PCCBs. You'll like it. Your rotors will probably last longer.
Less outright "bite" and more modulation vs. OEM P-40 pads. Feel is still some ways from what cast iron+RS19/29's can offer, but definitely the most I've had on ceramics so far.
Pad wear is the only concern. Rears went from 90% to maybe 20% in just one day of hard-charging driving. Normally I'd get at least two full days with OEM pads on the same track.
If you drive to track, noise is not a concern--these pads are socially acceptable (unlike RS29's). The rears only started squealing when they're almost done.
For the data geeks, the charts below pretty much tell the story. Green trace is OEM pads from a previous event, red trace is RSC-1. Tire grip and ambients are not too dissimilar between the two data sets. Basically more pedal pressure to get to the same deceleration:
There you have it. These are good track pads, but I suppose you can turn the data around and tell me how I can't keep pedal pressure constant while heel-toeing
Less outright "bite" and more modulation vs. OEM P-40 pads. Feel is still some ways from what cast iron+RS19/29's can offer, but definitely the most I've had on ceramics so far.
Pad wear is the only concern. Rears went from 90% to maybe 20% in just one day of hard-charging driving. Normally I'd get at least two full days with OEM pads on the same track.
If you drive to track, noise is not a concern--these pads are socially acceptable (unlike RS29's). The rears only started squealing when they're almost done.
For the data geeks, the charts below pretty much tell the story. Green trace is OEM pads from a previous event, red trace is RSC-1. Tire grip and ambients are not too dissimilar between the two data sets. Basically more pedal pressure to get to the same deceleration:
There you have it. These are good track pads, but I suppose you can turn the data around and tell me how I can't keep pedal pressure constant while heel-toeing
Last edited by CRex; 03-28-2014 at 03:33 PM.
03-28-2014, 05:05 PM
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Why ever use ceramics on the track unless you have F-you money?
03-28-2014, 05:46 PM
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03-29-2014, 03:22 AM
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Let's just say I'm one of the folks in transition. Some people drop the ceramics the moment they track the car. Me, I'm dumb enough to be on my third set of rotors and will go to cast irons soon. Just waiting for the cast iron product to show up and I'll shelve these pottery dishes.
In my neck of the woods there's a sizeable contingent of people who drive GT2/3's on track in stock form and put up with the OEM pads just because they're OEM. For those, the RSC1's are probably gonna extend the lives of their rotors by some margin...
In my neck of the woods there's a sizeable contingent of people who drive GT2/3's on track in stock form and put up with the OEM pads just because they're OEM. For those, the RSC1's are probably gonna extend the lives of their rotors by some margin...
03-29-2014, 10:31 PM
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Good to hear experiences, and thanks for the report! It is nice there is finally a legitimate approved option for ceramics at last. Have 3 sets in and ready for those who need em :-)
03-30-2014, 09:36 AM
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LOL... Pretty soon the track crowd o'er here will all be using your RSC-1's!
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04-25-2014, 09:48 PM
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CRex, the green line shows less brake pressure with more consistent deceleration where as the red line (RSC1) requires more brake pressure and "less consistent" deceleration (as I see the driver repeatedly go back on the brake after the initial release). To me, from the chart, the OEM pad seems to have better performance unless we are looking at different drivers driving. Just curious...... I am in the market for a set of RSC1 so want to understand your analysis better.
thx
thx
04-26-2014, 01:27 PM
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They are the same driver (me)
The variation in BP comes from heel-toeing. Not something that should be there, and reflects my lack of adjustment to the higher pedal pressure required by the RSC1's (this is my first set of pads and data is probably from my 20th lap on them). Like you said these pads need more pressure to get the same deceleration. It looks as if my crude muscle memory had me heel-toeing to the same pedal pressure as before (see the valleys of the red traces are at or around the green traces for the first two braking zones?)
So there you go, looks like it's a driver issue not the pads. Open to other suggestions/comments as I'm new to data analysis...
Net net you'll find (much) more modulation in the RSC1's. It's probably designed that way, to address the frequent complaint about PCCBs being overly "on-off" in feel...
The variation in BP comes from heel-toeing. Not something that should be there, and reflects my lack of adjustment to the higher pedal pressure required by the RSC1's (this is my first set of pads and data is probably from my 20th lap on them). Like you said these pads need more pressure to get the same deceleration. It looks as if my crude muscle memory had me heel-toeing to the same pedal pressure as before (see the valleys of the red traces are at or around the green traces for the first two braking zones?)
So there you go, looks like it's a driver issue not the pads. Open to other suggestions/comments as I'm new to data analysis...
Net net you'll find (much) more modulation in the RSC1's. It's probably designed that way, to address the frequent complaint about PCCBs being overly "on-off" in feel...
CRex, the green line shows less brake pressure with more consistent deceleration where as the red line (RSC1) requires more brake pressure and "less consistent" deceleration (as I see the driver repeatedly go back on the brake after the initial release). To me, from the chart, the OEM pad seems to have better performance unless we are looking at different drivers driving. Just curious...... I am in the market for a set of RSC1 so want to understand your analysis better.
thx
thx
04-26-2014, 07:02 PM
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CRex...3rd set of PCCB rotors?....Dang man you are a true baller! LOL
04-26-2014, 10:54 PM
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First set: "I probably am braking wrong"
Second set: "Okay, I know I've been braking harder..."
Third set: "WTF, are these things made of tofu or what?"
Evidently I have the learning speed of a sea slug... learning disabilities aside, I'm gonna be shelving the OEM PCCBs and moving to different things on my track cars...
Second set: "Okay, I know I've been braking harder..."
Third set: "WTF, are these things made of tofu or what?"
Evidently I have the learning speed of a sea slug... learning disabilities aside, I'm gonna be shelving the OEM PCCBs and moving to different things on my track cars...
06-11-2014, 12:06 PM
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They're gentler on the rotors vs. OEMs too.