gtdoggie

So prices of the mighty 4.0 RS are between 250k to 350k currently. While there has been much talk about whether or not the market on these will go up or down when the 991RS comes out, I wonder where you guys think prices will be in 5 years, up or down and why??

2K7TTMIA

up. Next to GT2RS's, the 4.0RS is unique and the last of the MT breed.
low miles, pristine will be hard to find below $350K. In the US spec. ROW 4.0RS's seem to be selling for slightly less. They will change hands among few. Those that do get track time, miles, maybe a few bumps and chips , etc. will sell for less. As much as I'd like to get a 991 GT3, finding a sweet 6spd GT car may be tougher in a few years.
IMHO.

aussie jimmy

looks like up given how the new cars are turning out.

tcsracing1

5 years is too short term to tell.
excellent low mile cars with little to no warranty remaining should fetch original sticker price IMHO.

Being the last of the manual transmission GT cars and low production really makes forecasting the 4.0L difficult this early in the game.

It has all the makings to become a $500k Porsche, the question is when…. 10 years? 20 years? 30 years??

dntlvet

It is fun to guess because it costs you nothing.
Five years is short term. Currently 4.0 woth low miles will sell at 150% of MSRP. In 5 yrs, I'd also guess MSRP. I really depends how fast the electrical cars develop and deliver performance and reliability wise.

Only a wild guess.

JuanCarpantier

Given the current market, I'm estimating about eleventy billion dollars.

DRPM

I wouldn't anticipate losing any money if/when selling a 4.0

Tedster

600 cars built is an awful lot to make it truly collectible in the broader market. Remember how long it took 4 cam 356 cars or the 1973 RS to get to that level. 4.0's should begin to depreciate in the next year but perhaps at a slower rate than a 3.8 RS. Almost certainly a losing proposition for those buying in what is likely to be the top of the market.

P_collector

well, we discussed this issue here already endlessly I think..but you seem to forget - or not know - that the 2.7RS was produced at around 1580 times. Given the global economic development since then - a 2.7RS is a "mass production" compared to a 4.0 or GT2RS..in fact there are more 2.7RS then there are 4.0 and GT2RS together.

Tedster

Yes I know collector prized Speedsters and the 2.7 RS were made in relative quantity, however they were both unique in ways that the 4.0 just is not. Speedsters and the RS 2.7 were stripped, lightened "enthusiast" models and had no immediate comparable predecessors or models following them for many years. The lack of a manual transmission in the successors should not affect collector valuations as much as enthusiasts (like myself) would perhaps see.

The 4.0 has the 996, 997.1, and 997.2 RS models as predecessors and the upcoming 991 RS (and perhaps a 992 RS) as successors. Therefore it is not the first nor the last in any meaningful way, just a special.

I'm a fan of the 4.0 and think it will always be worth more than a "garden variety" 3.8 RS but it's a big leap to put them in the same category as the RS 2.7 now. This is the fun of speculating, the real business is in putting your money where your mouth is and paying the cash now in hopes of a windfall in a few decades. In that case I would suggest rather buying some 911 SC and G models and putting them in storage but wouldn't that be a waste!

Alan Smithee

We are experiencing a bubble being inflated by the Fed. It cannot last forever. Like other inflated markets, once investors begin to liquidate their positions, others will fear a drop, and the market will correct.

I do not think comparisons to the 2.7 RS are valid. While there may have been more than twice as many 2.7 RS produced, it took decades for them to become 'blue chip' collectibles. In that time, many were used up, while most 4.0 RS have gone straight into collections. And they were never imported to the US by Porsche, so for those decades they remained elusive in one of the biggest collector markets. More significantly, the 2.7 RS was a bigger step up from the 2.4 911S than the 4.0 RS is from the 3.8 RS.

And then there will be the 991 RS. Its performance will eclipse the 4.0 RS by a wide margin. Yes, it will likely be PDK with EPS and without a Mezger, but the 2.7 RS became an icon because there was no successor for decades, and therefore nothing else like it. Between the other 996 and 997 GT3 variations and the more capable 991 GT3 and all of the versions to follow, I just don't see the 4.0 RS being anywhere near as significant.

VegasSpeedy

I collect Porsches. Not a huge collection but, more than most.

I know others who do the same. Big names that you would recognize. ALL are buying 3.8RSes and 4.0s. These are guys with 550s, Speedsters, 911 Speedsters, 73 RSes, 67Ses...on other words these are collectors that only buy what they feel are long term buy and hold cars.

So if the question is about 60 month value the answer is unquestionably up. If for no other reason than inflation.

tasman

It's too bad that Porsches are becoming collection pieces. One of the appeals for me was that they were/are a car that should and could be driven. IMHO we all lose if cars like the GT3 are put away in collections. I suppose maybe we all would if we could?

MarkG123

From what I understand the 4.0 is the last of the manual transmissions with Mezger engines and this is what creates the speculation and rising prices. What happens to the value of the 4.0 if Porsche puts a manual into the 991 GT3/RS version? Their marketing gurus are certainly watching the speculation of the 4.0. Maybe they will respond by offering a manual in the 4.0

Speeds5

Not more than the carrera GT