Tracked GT3/GT2 Must Have Clutch Replacement Every 8k Miles or Less
05-06-2013, 10:49 AM
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Tracked GT3/GT2 Must Have Clutch Replacement Every 8k Miles or Less
If you track your GT3/GT3RS/GT3RS 4.0/GT2RS you should plan the time and budget for regular clutch and associated parts replacement, at least every 6000-8000 miles.
Slave cylinders, pressure plates, discs and throwout bearings are simply not robust and durable enough for regular track use. Even when "upgraded" to the 4.0 disc/pressure plate, the throwout bearing and slave cylinder are regular wear/replacement items.
If you have never bled your slave cylinder, do so and look at what comes out- that black gunk is the result of internal cylinder bore wear. The rod end of the slave severely wears against the fork and the fork severely wears the throwout bearing. This is why Cup cars have a totally different clutch disengagement system and a hydraulic throwout bearing.
Shame on Porsche (again), all the money is channeled into marketing and profit and not into high-quality parts. Lied to again...
Either add this to your list of regular replacement parts or plan to be stranded on the road or at the track. Those of you who track already have learned this expensive lesson and those are just getting into Porsche GT cars will learn it and need to be aware.
Slave cylinders, pressure plates, discs and throwout bearings are simply not robust and durable enough for regular track use. Even when "upgraded" to the 4.0 disc/pressure plate, the throwout bearing and slave cylinder are regular wear/replacement items.
If you have never bled your slave cylinder, do so and look at what comes out- that black gunk is the result of internal cylinder bore wear. The rod end of the slave severely wears against the fork and the fork severely wears the throwout bearing. This is why Cup cars have a totally different clutch disengagement system and a hydraulic throwout bearing.
Shame on Porsche (again), all the money is channeled into marketing and profit and not into high-quality parts. Lied to again...
Either add this to your list of regular replacement parts or plan to be stranded on the road or at the track. Those of you who track already have learned this expensive lesson and those are just getting into Porsche GT cars will learn it and need to be aware.
05-06-2013, 11:02 AM
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If you track your GT3/GT3RS/GT3RS 4.0/GT2RS you should plan the time and budget for regular clutch and associated parts replacement, at least every 6000-8000 miles.
Slave cylinders, pressure plates, discs and throwout bearings are simply not robust and durable enough for regular track use. Even when "upgraded" to the 4.0 disc/pressure plate, the throwout bearing and slave cylinder are regular wear/replacement items.
If you have never bled your slave cylinder, do so and look at what comes out- that black gunk is the result of internal cylinder bore wear. The rod end of the slave severely wears against the fork and the fork severely wears the throwout bearing. This is why Cup cars have a totally different clutch disengagement system and a hydraulic throwout bearing.
Shame on Porsche (again), all the money is channeled into marketing and profit and not into high-quality parts. Lied to again...
Either add this to your list of regular replacement parts or plan to be stranded on the road or at the track. Those of you who track already have learned this expensive lesson and those are just getting into Porsche GT cars will learn it and need to be aware.
Slave cylinders, pressure plates, discs and throwout bearings are simply not robust and durable enough for regular track use. Even when "upgraded" to the 4.0 disc/pressure plate, the throwout bearing and slave cylinder are regular wear/replacement items.
If you have never bled your slave cylinder, do so and look at what comes out- that black gunk is the result of internal cylinder bore wear. The rod end of the slave severely wears against the fork and the fork severely wears the throwout bearing. This is why Cup cars have a totally different clutch disengagement system and a hydraulic throwout bearing.
Shame on Porsche (again), all the money is channeled into marketing and profit and not into high-quality parts. Lied to again...
Either add this to your list of regular replacement parts or plan to be stranded on the road or at the track. Those of you who track already have learned this expensive lesson and those are just getting into Porsche GT cars will learn it and need to be aware.
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05-06-2013, 11:17 AM
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05-06-2013, 01:34 PM
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A track friend of mine mentioned some GT car owners at a track event this past weekend had clutch troubles. I wish a troll with a lot of track miles in GT cars had mentioned clutch part wear rates to me before mine had trouble and left me at the track with nothing to drive after traveling some hours and money to get there.
The facts are what they are, you can attack or ridicule the messenger if you like. Heavy trackers frequenting courses which require a lot of shifting will be the first to experience the problems. If I were currently tracking a GT car I would follow a preventative maintenance course of replacement every 6000-8000 miles as the problems seem to crop up from 8-10k miles.
If I invest in a car that is priced for perfection+, and marketed for the track then it's reasonable to expect a level of durability from the driveline. You are welcome of course to not agree with that if you like. Your money is your money and mine is mine and we all have a differing definition of value.
Based on feeling bad for the track guys I heard about who had problems and knowing I could potentially help other trackers from losing a track weekend I thought it fair and worth mentioning directly that the clutch parts must be timed-out, and chose to assign a mileage that the facts supported.
Hasta la Vista- enjoy your forum.
The facts are what they are, you can attack or ridicule the messenger if you like. Heavy trackers frequenting courses which require a lot of shifting will be the first to experience the problems. If I were currently tracking a GT car I would follow a preventative maintenance course of replacement every 6000-8000 miles as the problems seem to crop up from 8-10k miles.
If I invest in a car that is priced for perfection+, and marketed for the track then it's reasonable to expect a level of durability from the driveline. You are welcome of course to not agree with that if you like. Your money is your money and mine is mine and we all have a differing definition of value.
Based on feeling bad for the track guys I heard about who had problems and knowing I could potentially help other trackers from losing a track weekend I thought it fair and worth mentioning directly that the clutch parts must be timed-out, and chose to assign a mileage that the facts supported.
Hasta la Vista- enjoy your forum.
05-06-2013, 02:10 PM
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Agree with Savy up to a point. 3.8 and 4.0 cars tend to have more clutch problems than 3.6 or GT2 cars.
I'm at 14K miles, and a few of them are track and fast track miles, with stock clutch still. I know I'm probably the last one from the Florida guys with stock clutch, that comes from how you drive it, and of course a little bit of luck.
My GT2 was sold with 24K miles, on stock clutch ... and tracked .... a lot of track miles.
There are tons of options out there for this kind of problem besides the 4.0 clutch, but doesn't mean that it will be at same cost, or at some drivability trade off.
I'm at 14K miles, and a few of them are track and fast track miles, with stock clutch still. I know I'm probably the last one from the Florida guys with stock clutch, that comes from how you drive it, and of course a little bit of luck.
My GT2 was sold with 24K miles, on stock clutch ... and tracked .... a lot of track miles.
There are tons of options out there for this kind of problem besides the 4.0 clutch, but doesn't mean that it will be at same cost, or at some drivability trade off.
05-06-2013, 02:19 PM
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Savy...You are dead on....the gen. II GT cars has even less durable clutch and PP than gen. I.....
I have already factored this into my track expense.
Shame on you Porsche
Find us a replacement for the brand my friend
I have already factored this into my track expense.
Shame on you Porsche
Find us a replacement for the brand my friend
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05-06-2013, 02:30 PM
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Savy I love you man but I respectfully disagree with this thread.
Perhaps Porsche's crafty marketing finally got the better of you.
They've surely made they fair share of f@@k ups over the years; no need to discuss them here again but, the generic title and content of the thread (especially the proposed replacement intervals) are a stretch.
Better close it and go fix us a decent Martini now.. : )
Perhaps Porsche's crafty marketing finally got the better of you.
They've surely made they fair share of f@@k ups over the years; no need to discuss them here again but, the generic title and content of the thread (especially the proposed replacement intervals) are a stretch.
Better close it and go fix us a decent Martini now.. : )
05-06-2013, 02:31 PM
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