997 GT2 Differential
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I recently acquired a 997 GT2 and am just getting to know it. With about 500 miles under my belt, I am starting to question the functioning of the differential. Under medium acceleration the car yaws slightly to the left, requiring a tiny steering correction. Off throttle, it yaws slightly to the right, requiring the opposite tiny steering correction. Bottom line, I find this unacceptable. I dont want the car making my job harder when I'm driving aggerssively. I've been racing for 25 years and am very sensitive to a cars responses to my inputs.
It seems the LSD allowing too much torque to the right, i.e. slipping too much.
Any advice?
Adjust? Rebuild? Replace?
The car has 7,500 miles and "was never tracked"
It seems the LSD allowing too much torque to the right, i.e. slipping too much.
Any advice?
Adjust? Rebuild? Replace?
The car has 7,500 miles and "was never tracked"
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Congrats on a great car. The differential on my GT2 has been upgraded so can't say I've ever noticed this issue. PM me for details if interested. A number of GT3/RS owners have Guard units. What tires are you running?
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Street car? Rebuild with Guard internals- give it a lot more preload.
DE car? Get a billet Guard diff, go with their recommendation.
My free advice... Only a Guard customer, no affiliation otherwise.
DE car? Get a billet Guard diff, go with their recommendation.
My free advice... Only a Guard customer, no affiliation otherwise.
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Thanks guys,
Yes, it's a street car that may find it's way to the track occasionaly. I just had it out again to really test the diff. Under hard acceleration it initially yaws to the left, then yaws back right as the diff seems to kick in. I have not experienced a diff fighting me like this before. It's fairly minor, but disrupts the driver - car feedback. I want to feel what the tires are doing on the road, not what the diff is screwing up, then unscrewing. I think I'll have to fix this situation.
Yes, it's a street car that may find it's way to the track occasionaly. I just had it out again to really test the diff. Under hard acceleration it initially yaws to the left, then yaws back right as the diff seems to kick in. I have not experienced a diff fighting me like this before. It's fairly minor, but disrupts the driver - car feedback. I want to feel what the tires are doing on the road, not what the diff is screwing up, then unscrewing. I think I'll have to fix this situation.
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Nope. Quaife is a standalone dif and not compatible. (neither recommended..)
Your LSD is shot by design.![Wink](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/wink.gif)
Guards or Porsche Motorsport internal packs and you'll have a safer car.
Best,
Your LSD is shot by design.
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Guards or Porsche Motorsport internal packs and you'll have a safer car.
Best,
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Rebuild the stock diff with Guard internals or swap it for the guard GT2 Pro or GT2 Club unit depending on your needs. Stock diff was shot shortly after it drove off the showroom floor.
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Are the bushings stock and has the alignment been checked recently? i.e. does the car hold an alignment?
Not that I believe that the stock diff is fine, but there is a lot of slop in the rear suspension bushings (at least on the GT3s) and it sounds to me more like a sloppy rear suspension than a bad LSD.
In my experience, when LSDs die they usually become open diffs (which wouldn't cause what you describe) - though I have had an LSD die where it would randomly swap between full locking and full open (it made a really well balanced car handle poisonously).
If/when you do need a new LSD... count another vote for Guard.
Not that I believe that the stock diff is fine, but there is a lot of slop in the rear suspension bushings (at least on the GT3s) and it sounds to me more like a sloppy rear suspension than a bad LSD.
In my experience, when LSDs die they usually become open diffs (which wouldn't cause what you describe) - though I have had an LSD die where it would randomly swap between full locking and full open (it made a really well balanced car handle poisonously).
If/when you do need a new LSD... count another vote for Guard.
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I recently acquired a 997 GT2 and am just getting to know it. With about 500 miles under my belt, I am starting to question the functioning of the differential. Under medium acceleration the car yaws slightly to the left, requiring a tiny steering correction. Off throttle, it yaws slightly to the right, requiring the opposite tiny steering correction. Bottom line, I find this unacceptable. I dont want the car making my job harder when I'm driving aggerssively. I've been racing for 25 years and am very sensitive to a cars responses to my inputs.
It seems the LSD allowing too much torque to the right, i.e. slipping too much.
Any advice?
Adjust? Rebuild? Replace?
The car has 7,500 miles and "was never tracked"
It seems the LSD allowing too much torque to the right, i.e. slipping too much.
Any advice?
Adjust? Rebuild? Replace?
The car has 7,500 miles and "was never tracked"
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^+2, alignment or bad suspension bushings/bent arms sounds like the issue...
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funny that a lot of people complain about the OEM diff. I have 13k miles in my car and stock diff, not ideal, but far from being hard to drive. People run out of talent a lot earlier than diff...
Don't use quaife. Quaife is a torsen gear based diff, that mainly works one way, and the way a Porsche doesn't benefit from a diff.... not mainly.
Don't use quaife. Quaife is a torsen gear based diff, that mainly works one way, and the way a Porsche doesn't benefit from a diff.... not mainly.
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I think there's plenty to complain about.
Agreed, if you replace 'Porsche' with '911'
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The stock LSD in my 08 RS died at 22K miles, with no track time (yet).
I think there's plenty to complain about.
like I said, not ideal, but totally fine to drive. 13K miles, and some track time. I know mine is dead, but doesn't bother me.
Find myself counter steering under braking for turn 17 more often than not, but I just got used to, and I love how the car turns in...
Agreed, if you replace 'Porsche' with '911'
I think there's plenty to complain about.
like I said, not ideal, but totally fine to drive. 13K miles, and some track time. I know mine is dead, but doesn't bother me.
Find myself counter steering under braking for turn 17 more often than not, but I just got used to, and I love how the car turns in...
Agreed, if you replace 'Porsche' with '911'
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like I said, not ideal, but totally fine to drive. 13K miles, and some track time. I know mine is dead, but doesn't bother me.
Find myself counter steering under braking for turn 17 more often than not, but I just got used to, and I love how the car turns in...
Perfect ... tks
Find myself counter steering under braking for turn 17 more often than not, but I just got used to, and I love how the car turns in...
Perfect ... tks
I love old cars, where you actually have to know how to driver, and the only experience people get with that anymore is either historic/vintage cars or when something breaks on a modern car.
That turn-in that you love (from the broken LSD/Open diff) is what you'd get with the Quaife (or Torsen) TBD diff. That's why the Auto-Xers like them.
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I recently acquired a 997 GT2 and am just getting to know it. With about 500 miles under my belt, I am starting to question the functioning of the differential. Under medium acceleration the car yaws slightly to the left, requiring a tiny steering correction. Off throttle, it yaws slightly to the right, requiring the opposite tiny steering correction. Bottom line, I find this unacceptable. I dont want the car making my job harder when I'm driving aggerssively. I've been racing for 25 years and am very sensitive to a cars responses to my inputs.
It seems the LSD allowing too much torque to the right, i.e. slipping too much.
Any advice?
Adjust? Rebuild? Replace?
The car has 7,500 miles and "was never tracked"
It seems the LSD allowing too much torque to the right, i.e. slipping too much.
Any advice?
Adjust? Rebuild? Replace?
The car has 7,500 miles and "was never tracked"
I noticed the same problem with mine, the rear would move around under acceleration. What made a big difference was I had Wevo engine mounts installed. Not an expensive proposition so worth a try, I believe RSS has a similar product. Working with a competent Independent garage that has track/racing knowledge, sure makes for a more enjoyable track experience.
Hope this helps.
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