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Old 10-27-2012 | 12:51 AM
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Default Tonight's Project - PCCB to Steel Conversion

Before I wear out my PCCB's, I decided make the conversion to steel.

Front are PFC rotors/hats.
Rears are 997 Turbo rotors

The pads are PFC's as well.

Purchased fronts and pads from Clark @ Apex Performance (he knows the part numbers).

Purchased the rear rotors from Suncoast Parts

Took one hour total to replace front rotors/pads. The weight of the PCCB rotors were VERY light... I was surprised just how light they were.. incredible. But they are still too proud of them to consider them a consumable.

Only had time to do the fronts tonight - tomorrow are the rears.

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Old 10-27-2012 | 02:43 AM
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The box that arrived with the PFC rotors and turbo rear required a dolly to get into my garage. About 100lbs

My wife carried the box with all four PCCB rotors and hubs into the attic....
Old 10-27-2012 | 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ShakeNBake
The box that arrived with the PFC rotors and turbo rear required a dolly to get into my garage. About 100lbs

My wife carried the box with all four PCCB rotors and hubs into the attic....
The irony is that the reverse is true with payment of the two.. You need a dolly to wheel a trunk full of cash required to pay for replacement PCCBs, lol...

To the OP, great choice, i'm sure you'll be happy overall...
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Tru dat
Old 10-27-2012 | 03:48 PM
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What's the general going rate for used PCCB?
Unless they are brand new, usually you'll get little for them on the market.
IMHO, run the hell out of the PCCB until worn out or something happens to them. Then go steel brakes.
My 2 cents, before taxes.

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Old 10-27-2012 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RSRanger
What's the general going rate for used PCCB?
Unless they are brand new, usually you'll get little for them on the market.
IMHO, run the hell out of the PCCB until worn out or something happens to them. Then go steel brakes.
My 2 cents, before taxes.

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i have bought in good to very good condition for the mk1 all 4 ceramic rotors used for $4500-$5000 - have done this 2x - from very reputable guys on this board.

I have had people not believe me but used is used and that is the price. If they are basically brand new then I would pay slightly more - the issue is the value of a 2007 car is $70-$85 so it is just not going to be much more than $5.5k - otherwise you just go with the PFC / TT solution mentioned above.

And if you sold a 07-08 car with yellow calipers with a new PFC / TT setup you might get $3k less than if the still had decent ceramic OE rotors - so again, when you look at it multiple ways it comes down to $4.5-$5 for good rotors
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One of the other issues that influenced my decision is that either my skill level has increased or the surface roughness on my PCCBs has increased. One of them was causing me to go through pads a little faster. Either way, it was time to take them off and put them on the shelf before they self destruct. If I decide to sell the car in a few years, it may or may not affect the price if I put them back on.

When I bought my car, there was a Gray 2010 with PCCBs and a White 2011 with steel. Both were similarly priced. If I had gone for the 2011, which was a wee bit outside my budget, I would have had steel all along. So steel isn't so bad.

Here's a timelapse of the rear replacement:

http://youtu.be/--0qpZXTnxw
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great video - hard to tell but if you haven't you should order caliper studs since you track the car as you will eventually strip the aluminum uprights - i did and i was being extremely careful - extremely - it just happens
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Originally Posted by 997gt3north
great video - hard to tell but if you haven't you should order caliper studs since you track the car as you will eventually strip the aluminum uprights - i did and i was being extremely careful - extremely - it just happens
Will do... Thank you!
Old 10-29-2012 | 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by awew911
One of the other issues that influenced my decision is that either my skill level has increased or the surface roughness on my PCCBs has increased. One of them was causing me to go through pads a little faster. Either way, it was time to take them off and put them on the shelf before they self destruct. If I decide to sell the car in a few years, it may or may not affect the price if I put them back on.

When I bought my car, there was a Gray 2010 with PCCBs and a White 2011 with steel. Both were similarly priced. If I had gone for the 2011, which was a wee bit outside my budget, I would have had steel all along. So steel isn't so bad.

Here's a timelapse of the rear replacement:

http://youtu.be/--0qpZXTnxw
Great vid ! If only it took as long to replace them as it took to watch it.

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Old 10-29-2012 | 02:35 AM
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So why not just wear out the ceramics before switching to the steel rotors? There is not a price difference between GT3's with or without the PCCBs. So, no real price risk to sell your car later with steel rotors. I would rather enjoy them and the superior braking power and lightweight performance than have a future buyer enjoy them (who will probably low ball me anyway!).

My 08 GT3 has 21K miles, no tracking done. The rotors still have 95% life according to the Porsche Dealer PPI that I paid for.
Old 10-29-2012 | 03:38 AM
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pccb have different braking feel, i wouldn't say superior. i have both. i like steel even if it is heavier and would pay more for steel as well.

but some of my friends do prefer the feel of pccb better.
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awew - what is the part number for the fronts?
Old 01-03-2013 | 06:52 PM
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as one who may be in the market for a non-PCCB GT eventually...i always thought there would be more involved. sure, i change my own (steel) rotors/calipers/pads on my C2S but arent there other necessary tweaks re: the electronics/ABS/PSM when going from PCCB to steel?

sorry if this is a dumb question but just trying to learn all i can before the big purchase someday.
Old 01-03-2013 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Spiffyjiff
as one who may be in the market for a non-PCCB GT eventually...i always thought there would be more involved. sure, i change my own (steel) rotors/calipers/pads on my C2S but arent there other necessary tweaks re: the electronics/ABS/PSM when going from PCCB to steel?

sorry if this is a dumb question but just trying to learn all i can before the big purchase someday.
No other tweaks needed that I am aware of. Just waiting to get the parts to do my PCCB to steel swap.


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