new video of Ruf RGT-8 (flat-6 purists beware!)
09-04-2012, 12:54 AM
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does anybody has an idea of how much cost that engine... I don't even want to think about the car modded by RUf, but let's just talk engine price. I bet it is astronomical for a short production like that. 100k ? more ?
09-04-2012, 07:41 AM
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Estonia said $US 300k for the RT35 (the RT12 replacement), and about $260k ish for the RGT8. the latter target deliveries end of this year.
when i was at the factory and they were showing me around (was lucky enough to be in their dyno room during very early testing of the flat-plane crank 8-cyl engine,) it was suggested-- not a black and white statement though-- that they were looking to make the engine available as a crate engine for other applications.
this makes sense to me, given the massive investment required to build a high performance motor from a clean sheet of paper. when you consider the ultra low volumes of Ruf cars, there's no way they could recoup the investment.
so selling crate engines would have to be part of the business plan IMO.
goes without saying that there will be a turbo version of this motor down the line. they told me "800-900hp" was the target, though this was back in 2010, so i'm pretty sure no actual work had actually been done at that time to validate the figure.
when i was at the factory and they were showing me around (was lucky enough to be in their dyno room during very early testing of the flat-plane crank 8-cyl engine,) it was suggested-- not a black and white statement though-- that they were looking to make the engine available as a crate engine for other applications.
this makes sense to me, given the massive investment required to build a high performance motor from a clean sheet of paper. when you consider the ultra low volumes of Ruf cars, there's no way they could recoup the investment.
so selling crate engines would have to be part of the business plan IMO.
goes without saying that there will be a turbo version of this motor down the line. they told me "800-900hp" was the target, though this was back in 2010, so i'm pretty sure no actual work had actually been done at that time to validate the figure.
09-04-2012, 10:54 AM
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there are two reasons Ruf will always have limited sales in the US
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- Ruf builds cars to order. Few Americans have the patience to wait 9-18 months for a car when they can get something else immediately.
- Ruf's cars are expensive compared to Porsches. Most buyers can't see the value in paying twice as much for a car that looks the same.
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09-04-2012, 11:05 AM
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there are two reasons Ruf will always have limited sales in the US
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- Ruf builds cars to order. Few Americans have the patience to wait 9-18 months for a car when they can get something else immediately.
- Ruf's cars are expensive compared to Porsches. Most buyers can't see the value in paying twice as much for a car that looks the same.
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09-04-2012, 12:03 PM
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Ruf will always be able to keep up with north american demand as long as their US distributor does not actively try to sell anything
As soon as the distributor starts pushing and gaining traction in the marketplace - its no win - Ruf cannot keep up and the Dist. gets upset as their hard work is for nothing
As soon as the distributor starts pushing and gaining traction in the marketplace - its no win - Ruf cannot keep up and the Dist. gets upset as their hard work is for nothing
09-04-2012, 01:13 PM
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and building a Ruf VIN car indeed can currently be done only in Germany, and the waiting time is several months. so there's really no excess capacity to meet a spike in demand.
09-04-2012, 02:23 PM
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09-04-2012, 03:14 PM
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there are two reasons Ruf will always have limited sales in the US
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- Ruf builds cars to order. Few Americans have the patience to wait 9-18 months for a car when they can get something else immediately.
- Ruf's cars are expensive compared to Porsches. Most buyers can't see the value in paying twice as much for a car that looks the same.
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2. Can't afford it yet, but would if I could. $250K ish seems very reasonable to me compared to the alternatives.
Local support would be my only concern. Big argument for GT3's is that they last on the track and if you need something there are 10 shops and 4 dealers to choose from within an hours' drive.
09-04-2012, 03:47 PM
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1. I can wait, waited 23 months for my RS.
2. Can't afford it yet, but would if I could. $250K ish seems very reasonable to me compared to the alternatives.
Local support would be my only concern. Big argument for GT3's is that they last on the track and if you need something there are 10 shops and 4 dealers to choose from within an hours' drive.
2. Can't afford it yet, but would if I could. $250K ish seems very reasonable to me compared to the alternatives.
Local support would be my only concern. Big argument for GT3's is that they last on the track and if you need something there are 10 shops and 4 dealers to choose from within an hours' drive.
I think $250 is light, in reality. Any decent Porsche race shop should be able to look after a Ruf, the important thing is to stop them mucking about with it. If you have any doubts, ask Marc Lieb.
If you really can wait, then you may select suspension (including lifter gear) mods, stunning interior finish levels, flip-flop paint (yes, but don't, please), and assorted other features to make it your car. Remember, in Germany most of them will be DD cars.
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09-04-2012, 04:16 PM
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I agree its light. In my little dream world I'm counting on more Euro fiscal disasters and the Euro going to parity with the Dollar 
I think the engine, integrated roll bar, custom everything and resale value are worth it.
Maybe I will win the powerball soon. I would go minimalistic, but unique and lightweight. This would be a good time to buy as the 991 will remain current for a long tiume affecting the resale value.
I think the engine, integrated roll bar, custom everything and resale value are worth it.
Maybe I will win the powerball soon. I would go minimalistic, but unique and lightweight. This would be a good time to buy as the 991 will remain current for a long tiume affecting the resale value.
09-04-2012, 06:06 PM
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RUF visit .. and beer fest
I agree its light. In my little dream world I'm counting on more Euro fiscal disasters and the Euro going to parity with the Dollar
I think the engine, integrated roll bar, custom everything and resale value are worth it.
Maybe I will win the powerball soon. I would go minimalistic, but unique and lightweight. This would be a good time to buy as the 991 will remain current for a long tiume affecting the resale value.
I think the engine, integrated roll bar, custom everything and resale value are worth it.
Maybe I will win the powerball soon. I would go minimalistic, but unique and lightweight. This would be a good time to buy as the 991 will remain current for a long tiume affecting the resale value.
as stated earlier)
09-04-2012, 06:15 PM
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my friend, can i recommend a visit to RUF to be included in for next trip to Europe - near Mindelheim, only an hour away from your Munich base and an experience you sure will enjoy ... even more so given your European roots (in addition to a Bavarian beer fest of course as stated earlier)
as stated earlier)
