they both come with a manual gearbox

 

Excuse me for using generic language like "performance upgrades" instead of making a list of all the upgrade possibilities and defining their potential uses and advantages. Exactly why do trackers do upgrades for brakes, suspension, tires, exhaust, aero, increased displacement, etc. Just for looks? For reliability sometimes, but also for increased performance. After all, if performance isn't important and you're just looking for the most inexpensive and reliable option, why not just spend $15K on a used Miata, hit the track, and have some fun instead of spending $100-200K+ on a GT Porsche?

I've drag raced, tracked, taken driving schools, and autocrossed at various times for over 40 years. No doubt I don't have your level of track experience but I think I have a pretty good idea that most people driving their cars in competitive venues welcome more performance, or the "latest performance upgrade" as I casually stated it. PDK is another way to significantly increase performance and therefore, IMO, it will have appeal to some, but not all, on that basis. That was my point.

Obviously, feel free to disagree, but I see no reason why you should try to insult me as a poser simply for expressing an opinion that is different than yours.

 

Calm down guys.

Everytime when manual and PDK come into the same sentence, it will always lead to some heated arguments.

I'm a manual guy. I admit that PDK can shift faster and offers faster track times. But so what? Do I really care if I am not competing in a race for price?

Nissan GT-R turns in faster track time than a lot of GT3s. Why do people still pay more for a slower car?

For those who claim that PDK is faster and therefore manual should retire is very naive. Life is good because we have choices to make. It does not always have to be good choices, but at least they are my choices.

 

You know, as far as GT cars go, the Cup's and the R's and RSR's are considered much more difficult to drive than their Lambo, Ferrari etc counterparts. Despite the R and RSR having paddle shift (although the sequential is still next to you and looks like its being controlled by a demon. Fascinating to watch when you're in the car).

I think even with PDK, the GT3 will still reward a good driver more than other cars. I don't really think PDK is the issue here, I think people are afraid that the car will become more like a GT-R. Which I can understand.

 

I'm calm. There's no reason to argue about PDK vs. MT AFAIC. I've owned both (MT's for much, much longer), and I get why people might prefer one or the other; each has their advantages and disadvantages, neither is "better" IMO. I do object when people (not you) stoop to innuendo when trying to make their point. 'Nuff said......

 

Like I said homework, I'm putting the same clutch in manual track car that goes into the cups. These clutches will not go into a pdk. What does that tell you?

Cup sequentials and rsr transmissions are not automated. But you'd have to actually know something about race cars to know that.

So your point is what again?

 

Maybe the moderators just need to close this thread before it gets out of hand.. This is a forum to voice our opinions in a courteous and considerate way. Sometimes we have a bad day and that's okay but "wannabnice" (maybe that should be his screen name) was out of line in my opinion." FAIL!" Man, I hope this guy doesn't have any students anywhere and tells them "FAIL"! You're no good...
The manual vs auto discussion can go on forever. It all depends on how you're using your car. If you're living in the "middle of nowhere" which is probably most of America between the coasts -and also most of Australia, a manual is entertaining. If you use your car as a DD and don't really commute in traffic, manual is also great.
If you live among 5 million people like I do and on the way home from the track you get stuck in traffic for an hour+, clutching every 5 feet, maybe an automatic doesn't sound too bad. It also depends on the track. I never get out of 3rd gear on our tight west coast tracks except one or two hairpins. So while I love my 6-speed, I have wondered how nice it would be to keep my hands on the wheel with some nice paddles. I don't like the current PDK in the Porsches, including the 991, just not intelligent enough yet compared to what Ferrari has, but I hope that in couple of years, they'll have individually programmable/mapping auto-manuals.
For us DE guys, I don't think it's so much about about being "fast" but about having fun driving our nice cars without watching for LEOs in the rear view mirror. And THAT means many different things to many different people. So like Mike said, as long as we have options, all is good.

 

If I take my pdk gt3 on the track and I have an issue, will they void my warranty even though all the computers are supposed to protect me from myself?

Pdk is like going to the shooting range with a laser sight - highly effective and somewhat uninvolving.

If thats your bag, then by all means have at it

Please keep the manual option if anyone is reading this from Porsche - be the last car company to offer it...hold out at least until the vette/viper go automatic

 

PDK not the answer or existing seq on the cup or rsr. They need a v8 with trq. It's great they moved the motor/tranny for better balance but these small increments of improvement is getting old. Go ballistic PAG!!! Mike

 

come on mike if you want ballistic in a porsche you have to go sharky or bbi or manthey 4.x L build!

haha

 

I wish boring out the motor or having the rsr go unrestrict

 

Damn pressed by accident. Neway I wished that rsr goes unrestricted and see where they place but it's very difficult running against any car manufacturer that has more trq. Porsche's cupcars/rsr's have very small window in maintaining optimal
Trq and if u muck it ain't easy to recover. The positive of out of this-
Porsche has some of the best drivers to extract what they can. Mike

 

I came from a 987.2 PDK to a 997.1 3.9L GT3 and will be in line for the 991 GT3 PDK and won't look back to the antiquated 997.

"Backmarker"? 1:58 @ Thunderhill CCW w/Cyclone; 2:06 @ Buttonwillow CW#1; 1:38 @ Laguna. 386 hp / 3380 lbs. Would do better in a PDK.

 

PDK's biggest performance advantage is launching from a dead stop. Which racing series are you entering your 991GT3 PDK in that has starts from a dead stop? F1?

Truth is, shifting is the easiest part of a fast lap to master. On most tracks that we drive on (at least in CA), with few exceptions, there are a couple of 3-4 and 4-3 shifts on a given lap. I'll bet nobody here drives at the level where the shift time difference between a manual and PDK gets you a trophy.

However, if you are man enough to admit it, for those that are not close to the level of professional driving, PDK makes it easier to drive fast by taking a task out of the equation. If you are at the level where this helps you get into and out of turns faster, well, you are B level, and there are many people out there faster than you, regardless of transmission.

 

jussi?
ur car is fast bc ur a FINN they have the driving gene!
think u know who I'm.
looking forward to chase u next time. I need to get my POS working right. throttle cable stuck at 81%.

btw I'm with u on PDk. I want just two pedals and preferably auto shifting. PDk I still need to shift

I assure the rest that Finn987 is not slow. most u the DE guys would be sucking his fumes.