AMP with Chin now TRAKCAR Minimancation
05-01-2012 | 12:56 PM
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AMP as of today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COYw-...layer_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COYw-...layer_embedded
05-01-2012 | 01:06 PM
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Most people I find it's a comfort issue. They aren't braking any more so the automatically just rest their foot on the gas at a small percentage. What sucks is that very small percentage stops the final bit of turning needed to point the car so you can get a good exit. I had a student I forced him to pick both his feet up and move them away from the pedals all the way though the corner to break his habit. Usually it's only 1/10th or two that needs fixing on the good drivers. But some Newbs just don't get it... that an unwinding the steering wheel when getting back in the throttle. How is this not taught when you get your drivers license... this is basic driving skills people. Not racing.
05-01-2012 | 01:49 PM
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Doesn't look like it will be a fun track for W2W. Between no passing zones and the noise restrictions being that most race cars will not have cats. Might be pretty hard on the brakes too.
Turn 1 doesn't look as bad as I thought it would though. Curbs look really rough (for now at least). Will be a good place to test the mechanical grip of your vehicle. AWD cars will do well there as well.
Still can't say I'd want a membership there (or anywhere for that matter).
05-01-2012 | 03:25 PM
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Doesn't look like it will be a fun track for W2W. Between no passing zones and the noise restrictions being that most race cars will not have cats. Might be pretty hard on the brakes too.
Turn 1 doesn't look as bad as I thought it would though. Curbs look really rough (for now at least). Will be a good place to test the mechanical grip of your vehicle. AWD cars will do well there as well.
Still can't say I'd want a membership there (or anywhere for that matter).
Turn 1 doesn't look as bad as I thought it would though. Curbs look really rough (for now at least). Will be a good place to test the mechanical grip of your vehicle. AWD cars will do well there as well.
Still can't say I'd want a membership there (or anywhere for that matter).
05-01-2012 | 05:39 PM
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I have a business idea. Open a body shop and a junk yard next to AMP. That track has plenty of spots where minor errors will cause contact with the walls.
It looks like a lot of fun, sort of RRR with elevations, and no straights, perfect for Miatas, S2000, E30 318i, Boxster/Cayman and all sort of moving chicane equipment.
Cars with heavy-metal Aerokits (like the modified Aero Beetles, ALMS-GT, Monster Tajima Pikes Peak car, the Aero Barbie cars in Florida and Georgia) might benefit by going flat-out from T13 all the way to T1.
Except the T13-T16 complex of turns, the rest of the turns are so slow speed, that most grip will be mechanical. Two 30 mph and Two 40mph turns is like having 4 hairpins in a track that short. Traction out of those turns is key
Advantage: Aero Beetles (even bigger advantage that RRR).
It looks like a lot of fun, sort of RRR with elevations, and no straights, perfect for Miatas, S2000, E30 318i, Boxster/Cayman and all sort of moving chicane equipment.
Cars with heavy-metal Aerokits (like the modified Aero Beetles, ALMS-GT, Monster Tajima Pikes Peak car, the Aero Barbie cars in Florida and Georgia) might benefit by going flat-out from T13 all the way to T1.
Except the T13-T16 complex of turns, the rest of the turns are so slow speed, that most grip will be mechanical. Two 30 mph and Two 40mph turns is like having 4 hairpins in a track that short. Traction out of those turns is key
Advantage: Aero Beetles (even bigger advantage that RRR).
05-01-2012 | 06:14 PM
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I have a business idea. Open a body shop and a junk yard next to AMP. That track has plenty of spots where minor errors will cause contact with the walls.
It looks like a lot of fun, sort of RRR with elevations, and no straights, perfect for Miatas, S2000, E30 318i, Boxster/Cayman and all sort of moving chicane equipment.
Cars with heavy-metal Aerokits (like the modified Aero Beetles, ALMS-GT, Monster Tajima Pikes Peak car, the Aero Barbie cars in Florida and Georgia) might benefit by going flat-out from T13 all the way to T1.
Except the T13-T16 complex of turns, the rest of the turns are so slow speed, that most grip will be mechanical. Two 30 mph and Two 40mph turns is like having 4 hairpins in a track that short. Traction out of those turns is key
Advantage: Aero Beetles (even bigger advantage that RRR).
It looks like a lot of fun, sort of RRR with elevations, and no straights, perfect for Miatas, S2000, E30 318i, Boxster/Cayman and all sort of moving chicane equipment.
Cars with heavy-metal Aerokits (like the modified Aero Beetles, ALMS-GT, Monster Tajima Pikes Peak car, the Aero Barbie cars in Florida and Georgia) might benefit by going flat-out from T13 all the way to T1.
Except the T13-T16 complex of turns, the rest of the turns are so slow speed, that most grip will be mechanical. Two 30 mph and Two 40mph turns is like having 4 hairpins in a track that short. Traction out of those turns is key
Advantage: Aero Beetles (even bigger advantage that RRR).
I'll bet if Chin woudl have had its opening event there there would have been piles of carnage.......
There is little run off that will eat tail happy aero beetles
also the asphalt will still need to cure and get a base layer of rubber
I wont bother with AMP until next fall at earliest
05-01-2012 | 06:24 PM
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I have a business idea. Open a body shop and a junk yard next to AMP. That track has plenty of spots where minor errors will cause contact with the walls.
It looks like a lot of fun, sort of RRR with elevations, and no straights, perfect for Miatas, S2000, E30 318i, Boxster/Cayman and all sort of moving chicane equipment.
Cars with heavy-metal Aerokits (like the modified Aero Beetles, ALMS-GT, Monster Tajima Pikes Peak car, the Aero Barbie cars in Florida and Georgia) might benefit by going flat-out from T13 all the way to T1.
Except the T13-T16 complex of turns, the rest of the turns are so slow speed, that most grip will be mechanical. Two 30 mph and Two 40mph turns is like having 4 hairpins in a track that short. Traction out of those turns is key
Advantage: Aero Beetles (even bigger advantage that RRR).
It looks like a lot of fun, sort of RRR with elevations, and no straights, perfect for Miatas, S2000, E30 318i, Boxster/Cayman and all sort of moving chicane equipment.
Cars with heavy-metal Aerokits (like the modified Aero Beetles, ALMS-GT, Monster Tajima Pikes Peak car, the Aero Barbie cars in Florida and Georgia) might benefit by going flat-out from T13 all the way to T1.
Except the T13-T16 complex of turns, the rest of the turns are so slow speed, that most grip will be mechanical. Two 30 mph and Two 40mph turns is like having 4 hairpins in a track that short. Traction out of those turns is key
Advantage: Aero Beetles (even bigger advantage that RRR).
You whine about aero but then whine about a track that's not aero dependant. Man up Mr TTU. Or better yet come go to NASA nationals with me and see if they will dq everyone that does not have aero.
Everyone doesn't fit inside your paddle shifted 200k box.
05-01-2012 | 06:28 PM
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The turns are that slow because he's driving an m3 on street tires at 6/10ths on a track with no rubber down.
You whine about aero but then whine about a track that's not aero dependant. Man up Mr TTU. Or better yet come go to NASA nationals with me and see if they will dq everyone that does not have aero.
Everyone doesn't fit inside your paddle shifted 200k box.
You whine about aero but then whine about a track that's not aero dependant. Man up Mr TTU. Or better yet come go to NASA nationals with me and see if they will dq everyone that does not have aero.
Everyone doesn't fit inside your paddle shifted 200k box.
+1
05-01-2012 | 06:35 PM
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The turns are that slow because he's driving an m3 on street tires at 6/10ths on a track with no rubber down.
You whine about aero but then whine about a track that's not aero dependant. Man up Mr TTU. Or better yet come go to NASA nationals with me and see if they will dq everyone that does not have aero.
Everyone doesn't fit inside your paddle shifted 200k box.
You whine about aero but then whine about a track that's not aero dependant. Man up Mr TTU. Or better yet come go to NASA nationals with me and see if they will dq everyone that does not have aero.
Everyone doesn't fit inside your paddle shifted 200k box.
My Fiat preparation won't be ready for NASA Nationals, it is still awaiting parts. Most of the parts should be here before October, so at our Sebring event, I can put a NASA-National-Champion-TTR-AeroBeetle in 2nd place at a local TTU event.
05-01-2012 | 06:42 PM
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Good luck trying to make a 30mph turn 20 mph faster on slicks, trick aero at 10/10th. No much runoff for your Aero Beetle there.
My Fiat preparation won't be ready for NASA Nationals, it is still awaiting parts. Most of the parts should be here before October, so at our Sebring event, I can put a NASA-National-Champion-TTR-AeroBeetle in 2nd place at a local TTU event.
My Fiat preparation won't be ready for NASA Nationals, it is still awaiting parts. Most of the parts should be here before October, so at our Sebring event, I can put a NASA-National-Champion-TTR-AeroBeetle in 2nd place at a local TTU event.
You parts won't be ready for 5 more months?
05-01-2012 | 07:17 PM
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I don't get scared of Aero Beetles, they either break or don't show up. The latest trend in NASA Florida is that we now have more Fiats at any event than Aero Beetles. At the last event we had 1 599 GTB, 3 Scuderias, 1 360 Stradale, and a 458 Challenge car, and just one Aero Beetle (a 4.0RS driven at pace car speeds).
I hope you win the 2012 NASA TT Nationals, it's being a long time since I can challenge a National Champion running in the same class at a local event.
Yes, 5 months, I don't like the waiting, the design studio is in Switzerland, and the factory in China, custom work, otherwise I would have to replace fenders, radiator mounts, all bumpers, side skirts, too much work to obtain similar downforce numbers.
My Fiat is at 7.2 weight/whp ratio and it will stay like that with the exception of the weight savings that could result from the new parts, but the difference won't be significant, probably 7.1-7.0 range.
05-01-2012 | 09:35 PM
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Yes TTR, when you blow by 800Hp Corvettes on straight line like they are standing still, very likely you're out of TTU power range.
I don't get scared of Aero Beetles, they either break or don't show up. The latest trend in NASA Florida is that we now have more Fiats at any event than Aero Beetles. At the last event we had 1 599 GTB, 3 Scuderias, 1 360 Stradale, and a 458 Challenge car, and just one Aero Beetle (a 4.0RS driven at pace car speeds).
I hope you win the 2012 NASA TT Nationals, it's being a long time since I can challenge a National Champion running in the same class at a local event.
Yes, 5 months, I don't like the waiting, the design studio is in Switzerland, and the factory in China, custom work, otherwise I would have to replace fenders, radiator mounts, all bumpers, side skirts, too much work to obtain similar downforce numbers.
My Fiat is at 7.2 weight/whp ratio and it will stay like that with the exception of the weight savings that could result from the new parts, but the difference won't be significant, probably 7.1-7.0 range.
I don't get scared of Aero Beetles, they either break or don't show up. The latest trend in NASA Florida is that we now have more Fiats at any event than Aero Beetles. At the last event we had 1 599 GTB, 3 Scuderias, 1 360 Stradale, and a 458 Challenge car, and just one Aero Beetle (a 4.0RS driven at pace car speeds).
I hope you win the 2012 NASA TT Nationals, it's being a long time since I can challenge a National Champion running in the same class at a local event.
Yes, 5 months, I don't like the waiting, the design studio is in Switzerland, and the factory in China, custom work, otherwise I would have to replace fenders, radiator mounts, all bumpers, side skirts, too much work to obtain similar downforce numbers.
My Fiat is at 7.2 weight/whp ratio and it will stay like that with the exception of the weight savings that could result from the new parts, but the difference won't be significant, probably 7.1-7.0 range.
My car has factory K24 Turbo's which NOBODY has gotten much over 500 whp out of. The tops is 530 something with meth. They just don't flow enough air, and are old tech. So how exactly do I pass the 800 hp corvette's with that?
When I go to nationals and get dyno'd and weighed every day, only to show I'm well below max TTU, what will be your excuse then? I have no boost controllers, no other tunes, only the one that came with the car when I bought it.
