Veloce Raptor

Wow. That is pretty sad that they would curtail learning by instructors.

Wow.

Although there are no "DE" lines and "race" lines. There are fast lines and slow lines.

p997s123

I'm going both days. I have a lot to work on. Even if I can't get many clean laps, I'll use the seat time to work on my corners that need work.....essentially all of them!

Izzone

You guys all dog Suncoast.....but we had a blast at 48 hours

I am going and will have a good time......chasing Gavin

Most of you that bash them dont have the right to......you barely drive the DE line correct

Izzone

I cehcked out and never shuffle steered once....and cant do it if I have to

TRAKCAR

Same here. I did 3 events with good instructors and 1 with a bad one, then 3 solo events and without shuffling suncoast was the first place that made my brother and I instructors while driving a Mustang.

Lucky I guess

mkk62

seems to me that suncoast has been very progressive over the last couple of yrs...allowing gavin to walk the track with drivers, allowing Chris Hall to give "sessions" of coaching, and the open passing recently. the new "regime" are much more open minded......although i have run into some of the old turds, most are very nice....and yes, i was forced to shuffle steer during the instructor school in turn 7.........imho, if i am not willing to give up a lot of my time to PCA and volunteer like some of the older guys you are complaining about, I dont really feel it is fair to criticize them...just my .03 cents...

sstjohn

I have been officially bumped to Sunday. Might come down Saturday night if you have a cot for me at the Chateau Randy, Dinner and drinks on me.

Veloce Raptor

Forgive me, as a non-Suncoaster, for saying this, but these comments are diametric opposites.

How can a group be considered "progressive" when it forces students to learn & instructors to teach shuffle steering? And when it criticizes instructors learning different lines from someone like Gavin?

TRAKCAR

Some old guys are leaving some new people are arriving. Progress.

Veloce Raptor

Y'know, I instruct for Lone Star Region and Hill Country Region and Maverick Region. Each has old guys and traditionalists, and I appreciate the heck out of them.

None teaches shuffle steering. None insists it be instructed. And none discourages instructor and advanced students from learning various lines.

Izzone

They do not force you to shuffle steer

Suncoast is not a race group, it is a DE group. They teach beginning students the "party line". A safe way around Sebring. I always teach my student this line, they can work on a more agressive race line when they go solo.

Gavin drives a race line, without proper car control it is considered an unsafe line.

Suncoast runs a first class drivers education, not sure why everyone is so hard on them.

If you want to be hard on somone go spend time with NASA midwest, I couldn't believe the low quality drivers they had......sure open passing, any line, who cares where you go.......and lots of crashed cars. Maybe that is someone elese idea of fun

mkk62

Sun coast PCA let Gavin walk the track. Didn't hear much other than praise. Shuffle steerers are retiring. progress not perfection.

Veloce Raptor

Apparently they DO force you to shuffle steer, according to mkk62.

I understand what a DE is, Randy. And agree that safety is job 1. But poo-pooing the opportunity for instructors to learn different lines? Silly at best. Purposely luddite control freakishness at worst.

There are no "race" lines.

And yes I agree about midwest NASA at Mid Ohio. I was there, remember? it was pathetic.

85Gold

Get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

Peter

TRAKCAR

Any events March 6+7 near Houston?