Larry Cable

Hey Bruce, I also wrote to Eileen Paletta @ BMW N.A to communicate my desire for an F11...

I have looked closely at the E63 AMG wagon, it was very attractive to me, but I have decided not to go for it...

according to the dealer I spoke to there is no ED discount on the E63 AMG since it is special order, and when I priced one out, even without carbon brakes or the perf pkg it was about 100k ... (LSD, CF trim that's about it)

I did have dreams of spanking it around the ring in May ... but ...

it looks as though I will be going for the 2013 X5M ... its about $15k cheaper than the AMG ... and just as powerful!

its not a wagon, which I would much prefer ... but what are you going to do?



there is of course the M-B E350 4Matic wagon, but its a bit dull compared to the F11 or even the E61 ...

fuenfer

I think I remember seeing one of your ED cars in the summer of 2009 at a certain location in the Eifel mountains.

Speaking of which, any chance that BMW School is going to be back for 2012?

Larry Cable

that must have been someone else!

The latest I heard was that it is unlikely, the same mgmt nonsense as last year is still going on at the ring ... apparently they have been offered dates in Nov, with a much higher fee ...

scuderia hanseat managed to get May/Oct dates but they are chargin 2800 euros now ...

it does not look good!

Polesitter

Did ED this summer. I enjoyed it and would do it again. It is theoretically a no charge event, but PCNA makes the dealer pay for the ED program. As such, the dealer won't discount the car as much. You are still paying for it, but Porsche has hidden he cost. I think it's worth it anyway.

GrantG

So, better to do ED with a car where there would otherwise be no discount anyways like an RS :-)

tcsracing1

About time they offered it for free. And so they should.

Mercedes wanted a left ******** for my G wagon in euro delivery form. I had to pass…..

Drifting

I'm doing it this year on my GT3 and the dealer explained it that way. You have to pay MSRP for in demand cars like the GT3. And when I brought up ED, he told me they usually hide the cost in a standard 911. For my GT3 it will be an extra $3000 to do European delivery.

DRPM

ED is on my bucket list for the 6 speed '16 991 RS 4.2

Larry Cable

I am not sure that the dealer can do that ...

Larry Cable

when I enquired MB wouldnt even consider ED on the E63!

sirtom

I decided against getting a porsche for ED, it's too complicated and expensive.

Jamie Dillon from PCNA ED department told me that higher performance models cost more (and are still not free) for ED because any charges will be to cover the additional insurance cost for the higher liability vehicle.

She also said that charging VAT (19%) is at the dealer's discretion to collect from the customer, as they are accepting liability should the vehicle not return. They always recommend every dealer collects at least a deposit, if not the full amount, of the VAT to protect themselves.

Ridiculous!

I am just ordering a BMW M235i manual instead. Total cost 39k, no surcharges, no VAT and no BS.

I've done multiple BMW EDs and will probably continue to buy a BMW every year until such time that Porsche fixes these problems and becomes competitive with other German manufacturers.

Being charged insurance (on an already overpriced car that has had a significant jump in MSRP) AND being asked to cover the VAT because the dealer doesn't trust the customer is too big of a pill to swallow, and frankly is a bit insulting.

4forme

I thought PCNA announced a couple years ago that ED is now free?

Larry Cable

AFIAK they did, in as much as they 'required' the dealer to absorb the $4000 'cost', the incentive being that they would receive an additional model allocation.

Apparently this dealer didn't get that memo...

One way around the VAT deposit; lease the car from Porsche Finance, then once the car returns to the US finance the purchase and pre-terminate the lease, which I believe PFS does not apply a surcharge ... just an idea.

GrantG

I would see if there is a way to get relief through PCNA.

Larry Cable

good idea, after all its a zero-$ option on the model configurator!