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10-13-2011, 10:50 PM
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Isn't bench racing fun.
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10-14-2011, 01:41 AM
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My and Eddie's ex 6GT2 ran a 2:18+ on Michelin PS2 street tires and turned a 2:15+ on a set of Hoosier R100 slicks when we ran 3 laps in traffic heat cycling them in traffic before the 2009 UTTC. I watched Trakcars video and it was a fast lap (Peter gets a lot out his RS pushes himself to get better) no doubt but he left time on the table which better drivers than me pointed out.
Isn't bench racing fun.
Peter
Isn't bench racing fun.
Peter
That 996 GT2 was a monster !!
Now, a 2011 GT2 RS with a Pro Driver on slicks, well this one can touch 2:13s at Sebring, but just for 2 laps before heat soak kills it.
At Laguna Seca (Excellence Magazine) JvO lapped the 3.8RS and 2RS a few months back, 2RS did 1:35.5 and 3.8RS did 1:37.9. At Sebring the difference would be bigger.
10-14-2011, 10:11 AM
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IMHO, we are talking conditions and super high level pro driving.
RSRracer in a CUP doing 2:13 might not have been in cold weather.
Leh qualified 2:07 at 12 hours of Sebring in GTC.
A pro can take the car over the limit and be fast, fix the car into, in and out of the turn. I can only drive just on the slow side of the limit, so there is nothing to fix. If I need to fix somthing I lose a few tenths each time.
The super high level driver will take an easy 2 seconds of my time because I leave time (Never fixing much never spun remember.) The pro's crash once in a while, know how to test and setup a car. I am talking comparo my car, but not my settings, these guys know what a couple of PSI, sway bars can do. I don't.
They also know how to look at data much better. So 2 seconds easy, but probably more like 3/4, same day, their settings, same car and tires (Can't believe I' saying this, these guys are ona different planet of driving levels). At Road Atlanta a pro took 4 seconds of our 1:35 times with a passenger who thought he was going to crash his car every other corner. Guaranteed that if he went out alone ant went quali speed he would go much faster still.
Hoosiers R6 easy 2 seconds faster. Here is the big difference as it allows you to take T7 and T16 in 3rd. That's a second alone. Just like Road Atlanta, T8? 9Tight one before long straight and the oaktree at VIR for example.
Slicks easy another 2 seconds faster.
My 2:20 was in 30F weather, but I have done a bunch of 2:21's in 80F.
Let's assume 2:21 as my ultimate lap, minus at least 6 seconds, but I say 8 seconds.
My car on RA1 with LSD, sharky, BBS, Gurney and CUP lip is 1-2 seconds faster then stock?
No question in my mind that the great pro's can take a bone stock .2RS out of the showroom, corner balance and allign it and and wheel it around Sebring in the 2:17/2:18's in sub 80F weather.
No, nobody get's to drive my car to prove a point :-)
RSRracer in a CUP doing 2:13 might not have been in cold weather.
Leh qualified 2:07 at 12 hours of Sebring in GTC.
A pro can take the car over the limit and be fast, fix the car into, in and out of the turn. I can only drive just on the slow side of the limit, so there is nothing to fix. If I need to fix somthing I lose a few tenths each time.
The super high level driver will take an easy 2 seconds of my time because I leave time (Never fixing much never spun remember.) The pro's crash once in a while, know how to test and setup a car. I am talking comparo my car, but not my settings, these guys know what a couple of PSI, sway bars can do. I don't.
They also know how to look at data much better. So 2 seconds easy, but probably more like 3/4, same day, their settings, same car and tires (Can't believe I' saying this, these guys are ona different planet of driving levels). At Road Atlanta a pro took 4 seconds of our 1:35 times with a passenger who thought he was going to crash his car every other corner. Guaranteed that if he went out alone ant went quali speed he would go much faster still.
Hoosiers R6 easy 2 seconds faster. Here is the big difference as it allows you to take T7 and T16 in 3rd. That's a second alone. Just like Road Atlanta, T8? 9Tight one before long straight and the oaktree at VIR for example.
Slicks easy another 2 seconds faster.
My 2:20 was in 30F weather, but I have done a bunch of 2:21's in 80F.
Let's assume 2:21 as my ultimate lap, minus at least 6 seconds, but I say 8 seconds.
My car on RA1 with LSD, sharky, BBS, Gurney and CUP lip is 1-2 seconds faster then stock?
No question in my mind that the great pro's can take a bone stock .2RS out of the showroom, corner balance and allign it and and wheel it around Sebring in the 2:17/2:18's in sub 80F weather.
No, nobody get's to drive my car to prove a point :-)
10-14-2011, 10:21 AM
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Rad
GT2 had 50k in upgrades not 100k and I had the records.
It was stock motor stock clutch with mild GIAC tune 465rwhp. We never got the car dialed in before I sold it to Eddie.
Ian drove IZZONE GT3RS at Sebring for a few laps and was very impressed. It wasn't as fast in straight line but much better in the corners. Since it wasn't my car he didn't push it as hard and didn't like the feel of the shifter which Randy later confirmed was a problem.
Now back to the highjack of Eddies new car thread
Peter
GT2 had 50k in upgrades not 100k and I had the records.
It was stock motor stock clutch with mild GIAC tune 465rwhp. We never got the car dialed in before I sold it to Eddie. Ian drove IZZONE GT3RS at Sebring for a few laps and was very impressed. It wasn't as fast in straight line but much better in the corners. Since it wasn't my car he didn't push it as hard and didn't like the feel of the shifter which Randy later confirmed was a problem.
Now back to the highjack of Eddies new car thread
Peter
10-14-2011, 10:37 AM
#81
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Rad
GT2 had 50k in upgrades not 100k and I had the records. It was stock motor stock clutch with mild GIAC tune 465rwhp. We never got the car dialed in before I sold it to Eddie.
Ian drove IZZONE GT3RS at Sebring for a few laps and was very impressed. It wasn't as fast in straight line but much better in the corners. Since it wasn't my car he didn't push it as hard and didn't like the feel of the shifter which Randy later confirmed was a problem.
Now back to the highjack of Eddies new car thread
Peter
GT2 had 50k in upgrades not 100k and I had the records.
It was stock motor stock clutch with mild GIAC tune 465rwhp. We never got the car dialed in before I sold it to Eddie. Ian drove IZZONE GT3RS at Sebring for a few laps and was very impressed. It wasn't as fast in straight line but much better in the corners. Since it wasn't my car he didn't push it as hard and didn't like the feel of the shifter which Randy later confirmed was a problem.
Now back to the highjack of Eddies new car thread
Peter
My best lap of the day was 2:25 flat......this was on RA1 with a car that would not shift
I pulled in from a session (30 minutes of heat soak) and Ian hoped in the car. In traffic he was doing 2:22 and Traqmate TBL of 2:20
I'll bet Ian in my car, cold weather, no traffic could click off a 2:18.......I would have to buy track insurance to let him try though
10-14-2011, 01:07 PM
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If you're talking about Ian Stewart, I'm pretty sure he ran a 17 on PS2's, and with Hoosiers it did a 14.
My and Eddie's ex 6GT2 ran a 2:18+ on Michelin PS2 street tires and turned a 2:15+ on a set of Hoosier R100 slicks when we ran 3 laps in traffic heat cycling them in traffic before the 2009 UTTC. I watched Trakcars video and it was a fast lap (Peter gets a lot out his RS pushes himself to get better) no doubt but he left time on the table which better drivers than me pointed out.
Peter
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10-14-2011, 01:26 PM
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On the day Ian drove my car it was crazy hot at Sebring (you were there)
My best lap of the day was 2:25 flat......this was on RA1 with a car that would not shift
I pulled in from a session (30 minutes of heat soak) and Ian hoped in the car. In traffic he was doing 2:22 and Traqmate TBL of 2:20
I'll bet Ian in my car, cold weather, no traffic could click off a 2:18.......I would have to buy track insurance to let him try though
My best lap of the day was 2:25 flat......this was on RA1 with a car that would not shift
I pulled in from a session (30 minutes of heat soak) and Ian hoped in the car. In traffic he was doing 2:22 and Traqmate TBL of 2:20
I'll bet Ian in my car, cold weather, no traffic could click off a 2:18.......I would have to buy track insurance to let him try though
10-14-2011, 01:35 PM
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IMHO, we are talking conditions and super high level pro driving.
RSRracer in a CUP doing 2:13 might not have been in cold weather.
Leh qualified 2:07 at 12 hours of Sebring in GTC.
A pro can take the car over the limit and be fast, fix the car into, in and out of the turn. I can only drive just on the slow side of the limit, so there is nothing to fix. If I need to fix somthing I lose a few tenths each time.
The super high level driver will take an easy 2 seconds of my time because I leave time (Never fixing much never spun remember.) The pro's crash once in a while, know how to test and setup a car. I am talking comparo my car, but not my settings, these guys know what a couple of PSI, sway bars can do. I don't.
They also know how to look at data much better. So 2 seconds easy, but probably more like 3/4, same day, their settings, same car and tires (Can't believe I' saying this, these guys are ona different planet of driving levels). At Road Atlanta a pro took 4 seconds of our 1:35 times with a passenger who thought he was going to crash his car every other corner. Guaranteed that if he went out alone ant went quali speed he would go much faster still.
Hoosiers R6 easy 2 seconds faster. Here is the big difference as it allows you to take T7 and T16 in 3rd. That's a second alone. Just like Road Atlanta, T8? 9Tight one before long straight and the oaktree at VIR for example.
Slicks easy another 2 seconds faster.
My 2:20 was in 30F weather, but I have done a bunch of 2:21's in 80F.
Let's assume 2:21 as my ultimate lap, minus at least 6 seconds, but I say 8 seconds.
My car on RA1 with LSD, sharky, BBS, Gurney and CUP lip is 1-2 seconds faster then stock?
No question in my mind that the great pro's can take a bone stock .2RS out of the showroom, corner balance and allign it and and wheel it around Sebring in the 2:17/2:18's in sub 80F weather.
No, nobody get's to drive my car to prove a point :-)
RSRracer in a CUP doing 2:13 might not have been in cold weather.
Leh qualified 2:07 at 12 hours of Sebring in GTC.
A pro can take the car over the limit and be fast, fix the car into, in and out of the turn. I can only drive just on the slow side of the limit, so there is nothing to fix. If I need to fix somthing I lose a few tenths each time.
The super high level driver will take an easy 2 seconds of my time because I leave time (Never fixing much never spun remember.) The pro's crash once in a while, know how to test and setup a car. I am talking comparo my car, but not my settings, these guys know what a couple of PSI, sway bars can do. I don't.
They also know how to look at data much better. So 2 seconds easy, but probably more like 3/4, same day, their settings, same car and tires (Can't believe I' saying this, these guys are ona different planet of driving levels). At Road Atlanta a pro took 4 seconds of our 1:35 times with a passenger who thought he was going to crash his car every other corner. Guaranteed that if he went out alone ant went quali speed he would go much faster still.
Hoosiers R6 easy 2 seconds faster. Here is the big difference as it allows you to take T7 and T16 in 3rd. That's a second alone. Just like Road Atlanta, T8? 9Tight one before long straight and the oaktree at VIR for example.
Slicks easy another 2 seconds faster.
My 2:20 was in 30F weather, but I have done a bunch of 2:21's in 80F.
Let's assume 2:21 as my ultimate lap, minus at least 6 seconds, but I say 8 seconds.
My car on RA1 with LSD, sharky, BBS, Gurney and CUP lip is 1-2 seconds faster then stock?
No question in my mind that the great pro's can take a bone stock .2RS out of the showroom, corner balance and allign it and and wheel it around Sebring in the 2:17/2:18's in sub 80F weather.
No, nobody get's to drive my car to prove a point :-)
So quit smoking or sniffing whatever you do, because a stock GT3 RS 3.8 on slicks won't do 2:13s on slicks, no matter who drives it. The realistic times start at 2:15 and up (on slicks) and 2:18s and up on shaved fat wide RA1 with a Pro driving.
10-14-2011, 05:38 PM
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Dude, 2011 GT3 Cup are about 3 secs faster around Sebring than the 997 GT3 Cup 3.6 version (the 2009 and earlier cars). One of the fastest GT3 Cup drivers in the World, Sean Edwards qualified in 2:07.8, that's almost a 2:08. The 3.6 GT3 Cup properly floored would be in the 2:11s range.
So quit smoking or sniffing whatever you do, because a stock GT3 RS 3.8 on slicks won't do 2:13s on slicks, no matter who drives it. The realistic times start at 2:15 and up (on slicks) and 2:18s and up on shaved fat wide RA1 with a Pro driving.
So quit smoking or sniffing whatever you do, because a stock GT3 RS 3.8 on slicks won't do 2:13s on slicks, no matter who drives it. The realistic times start at 2:15 and up (on slicks) and 2:18s and up on shaved fat wide RA1 with a Pro driving.
RA1-2 sec=hoosier
Hoosier-2 sec=slicks
This means if I add slicks to the car I will do a 2:20? I might be faster, but not 2:20 fast (I still will make same stupid mistakes)
For an intermediate driver yes, but an advanced driver the difference between Hoosier and race shaved RA1 might be a second.
10-14-2011, 06:09 PM
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I am not sure the rule of thumbs apply
RA1-2 sec=hoosier
Hoosier-2 sec=slicks
This means if I add slicks to the car I will do a 2:20? I might be faster, but not 2:20 fast (I still will make same stupid mistakes)
For an intermediate driver yes, but an advanced driver the difference between Hoosier and race shaved RA1 might be a second.
RA1-2 sec=hoosier
Hoosier-2 sec=slicks
This means if I add slicks to the car I will do a 2:20? I might be faster, but not 2:20 fast (I still will make same stupid mistakes)
For an intermediate driver yes, but an advanced driver the difference between Hoosier and race shaved RA1 might be a second.
I ran MPSC 265/30R19 and 345/30R19 and also Michelin Blue slicks in 997 GT3 Cup sizes. Lap times: 1:52 on MPSC, 1:47 on Pilot SX.
If you put slicks on your Beetle, Reter will be history, and you'll be under 2:20s with your driving skills..
10-14-2011, 06:13 PM
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I did a test back in 2008 with my GT3 RS at Cal Speedway. I have plenty of track time at that track.
I ran MPSC 265/30R19 and 345/30R19 and also Michelin Blue slicks in 997 GT3 Cup sizes. Lap times: 1:52 on MPSC, 1:47 on Pilot SX.
If you put slicks on your Beetle, Reter will be history, and you'll be under 2:20s with your driving skills..
I ran MPSC 265/30R19 and 345/30R19 and also Michelin Blue slicks in 997 GT3 Cup sizes. Lap times: 1:52 on MPSC, 1:47 on Pilot SX.
If you put slicks on your Beetle, Reter will be history, and you'll be under 2:20s with your driving skills..
I think our shaved cheater RA1's are much closer to a Hooter at a 2:25 clip in the summer around Sebring
South of 2:20.....hmmm....maybe a set for winterfest just to pick on Erik
10-14-2011, 06:23 PM
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Holy crap! 5 seconds faster on the Roval just with slicks? Do you have benchmark times there with a .2?
10-14-2011, 07:02 PM
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Nope, no N-spec MPSC, the real deal MPSC. Front ones 265/30R19 were race spec MPSC, and rear ones were the race spec 345/30R19 used in the new for 2008 Viper ACR.