I miss My GT3....
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#9
Matt, seriously, get a Scuderia, good deals around.
You won't miss the GT3, you won't miss the GT3 RS, you wont miss your highly modified GT2, you won't remotely miss the F430.
I don't miss my GT3, I'm just bored of my Cayman.
You won't miss the GT3, you won't miss the GT3 RS, you wont miss your highly modified GT2, you won't remotely miss the F430.
I don't miss my GT3, I'm just bored of my Cayman.
#10
Thanks for highlighting the f-car prices. I had no idea how far they'd dropped in the past two years. I feel bad for the original owners, I can't imagine what it feels like to lose that kind of money on a car in such a short period of time. It's good for us in the used car market though!
#11
Thx
#12
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the 997 GT3 line was a great run. You sold yours wayyyyy to early.
nab a 3.8RS and enjoy it until 991 GT3 is released.
Who knows, the 991 GT3 maybe PDK only and thereby leaving the 997 as the last of the manual transmission porsches....
nab a 3.8RS and enjoy it until 991 GT3 is released.
Who knows, the 991 GT3 maybe PDK only and thereby leaving the 997 as the last of the manual transmission porsches....
#13
Matt I havent had one in two years++ I miss one too.
If you would like to invest in my new defense company, I would be happy to buy a nother one,
You make money, I get a GT car, I am just saying.
If you would like to invest in my new defense company, I would be happy to buy a nother one,
You make money, I get a GT car, I am just saying.
#14
The carbon package costs $20k+ to replicate from the parts bin, and adds $10k to resale, it is a standard feature in all the 2009 and the last batch of 2008. This package reduces total weight by 30 lbs. With the carbon package and no fuel, the Scuderia weighs 2,976 lbs (verified by me on electronic scales), same car without carbon package is 3,006 lbs. For a reference, the 2011 U.S. GT3 RS 3.8 with no options is 3,116 lbs with no fuel.
Then there is mileage, cars under 1,000 mile have a price, cars around 5,000 miles lose $10k in value, and cars with 10k miles lose $20k in value compared to a car with less than 1,000 miles.
The 2009 cars carry a resale $10k higher than the 2008 Scuderias.
A 2009 Scuderia with less than 1,000 miles carries a resale of $215k today. Same car but as a 2008 would be at $205k. Same 08 without CF package $195k. Add 10,000 miles, $175k. No stripe $170k.
Then other factors apply such as motivated buyer, or motivated seller, bad resale colors, hot color (the Silverstone Grey is in big demand), options (the option list is gigantic). There are a few cars with accidents that have been repaired and they are for sale out there.
The 360 Challenge Stradale has been sitting in the $135k range for cars with no histories. The problem is that there are many Stradales with histories (accidents), the car was tricky at the limit, tail happy and that bites some drivers, the fix was easy, just proper alignment.
Last Stradales were produced in 2004, and clean ones have a strong buyer's market. In my opinion, the Scuderia will not be cheaper than the Stradale, because both cars are based on the 360 Modena, F430 respectively, same philosophy. I think that the gap is going to settle around $20k between these two cars in the long term, as a $20k gap would justify to get the more reliable car. The F1 transmission in the Stradale and F430 is laggy, the F1 transmision in the Scuderia and 599 GTO is awesome, better than a PDK or a BMW DCT.
I've watched 3 years of Stradale market and they don't seem to be moving South anymore, so when the $170k Scuderias get in the $155k range they should settle as they will be just $20k higher priced than a clean Stradale. From there on supply/demand would play a stronger role, as there are not really that many Stradales and Scuderias in U.S.
The Stradale was not affected by the F458 Italia release, but it was already in the $135k range 2 years ago. The Scuderia was affected by the F458 Italia release, but once it gets within the $20k price range of the Stradale, it would stay there.
Brembo makes a straight swap of steel brake rotors, identical to the ones sold by Sharkwerks (two piece floating) for the Scuderia. For track use, there are affordable choices of track pads. So, the brakes cost issue is no longer an issue.