aussie jimmy

he's gotta choose the 997 as he has already bought the exhaust for it.
if i could choose between a 996 or 997, i would have already bought the sw exhaust....hahaha

Schmidts Cat

Also, as a DD, the 997 has a nicer and roomier interior. I'm 6'4" and the 996 is tight inside... the 997 I move the seat forward 8"!

Laguna_Dude

Just a friendly, FYI. That is not true. it has more than a mk1 GT3, but not more than the mk1 RS. Re-read the mk2 press release again. it stated GT3 to GT3... not .1RS to .2GT3.

NJ-GT

Yes, it is true.

When Sport Auto tested the 2010 GT3 3.8 in the wind tunnel it produced more downforce than the 997 GT3 RS 3.6 at both axles, at the rear axle the GT3 3.8 got almost twice the downforce of the 997 GT3 RS 3.6. Check the Super Test results from both cars, the 2010 GT3 was 8 secs faster around the Ring, and almost 1 sec faster at the short and tight track (Hockenheim).

The rear wing of the 2007 GT3 RS produces 88 lbs of downforce at top speed (Evo magazine from late 2006). Even adding all that downforce at VMax to the 2007 GT3 downforce (66 lbs at 186 mph), it doesn't get close to the 2010 GT3 3.8 total downforce.

The 997 GT3 3.6 produces 66 lbs of downforce at 186mph. The GT3 3.8 produces 220 lbs at the same speed (333% more than the 2007 car, huge gains). The GT3 RS 3.8 produces 374 lbs at 186mph. The new RS 4.0 produces 426 lbs of downforce, but at a higher speed (193 mph), so at 186 mph the number should be around 400 lbs.

Notice that the GT3 RS 3.8 only gains 154 lbs of downforce over the GT3 3.8, despite of using the gigantic and tall carbon wing. If you add the decklid of a 2010 GT3 RS 3.8 with wing and uprights to a 2007 GT3 RS, you would at most match the downforce numbers from a stock 2010 GT3 3.8.

Laguna_Dude

Where is all the downforce? mk1 RS wing is huge vs mk2 Gt3. And it's adjustable. Otherwise, outside of the front splitter, they don't look too different. Based on the press release, the language was specific GT3 to GT3. If this is the case, you would think they would have marketed and stressed these facts more. On pure observation, I am a bit surprised. At Willow, I don't see mk2's taking turn 8 any faster vs. mk1....even at the cup level. Most of the time gains are based on pure HP and TQ. But seems you're much more versed in the downforce #'s and I didn't see that test, so I digress. It's very interesting how Porsche got that much downforce from minor changes... I can see some gains... but 300%+ with very minor cosmetic changes seems far-fetched. Do you have a link to the comparo? Thanks.

NJ-GT

Here are the links to Sport Auto for the GT3 and GT3 RS 3.6 and 3.8

http://www.sportauto-online.de/super...57.html?show=2

http://www.sportauto-online.de/super...80.html?show=2

http://www.sportauto-online.de/super...46.html?show=2

http://www.sportauto-online.de/super...52.html?show=2

The GT3 3.8 got a big wing too, and contrary to the 2007 GT3 RS where the wing lies flat, there is a lot of tilt angle in both the 2010 GT3 and 2010 GT3 RS. The 2010 cars got a lot of improvements in the front end aero as well (lessons from the Cup cars).

All the numbers quoted previously come from Porsche, except the downforce on the 2007 GT3 RS wing that came from Evo magazine, and Evo is quite accurate with their information.

Sport Auto test the cars on the wind tunnel at 125 mph, a speed more realistic with what we see at turns on typical racetracks. I don't care about downforce numbers at 186 mph unless I'm running NASCAR. Downforce at 75mph-125mph is what I use the most.

In regards to Mk2 drivers in your local turf not going faster than Mk1 drivers on the turns, well they could drive better.

cab&coupe

Hey Craig you have a PM

Laguna_Dude

Thank you for the links. The RS wing is adjustable and can be tilted up. But data doesn't lie. Thank you. As for drivers, I was referring to pros' (where I've seen and compared data vs. run of the mill DE drivers in street cars) speeds at mid-turn... and it's about the same. Mk2 enters a bit faster due to increased HP.... but mid-turn ends up about the same.

I love the mk1 RS. I had one. But had to spend a lot of $$ to get it to work the way I wanted. And in the end, the performance was beyond the safety of the car and I had to let her go for a Cup. But stock car for stock car, I would get the mk2 GT3.... even if the downforce was the same. As they did work the handling issues out. And the RS will end up the more expensive car, as the OP will end up spending $$ on mods to tame the beast. Vs. mk2 GT3, which clearly has a more refined damper/spring and sway setup out of the box.

Tacet-Conundrum

You going to keep on keeping that 930?

Let me know if you want to part with it -ever!

rlips

997.2 non RS. Perfect for what you want, great street car (left stock) and good for occasional track use.

Should be had for 95k or less

TrackDays247.com

Where the heck can I find one?
They are 110k on EBay, eyikes!

If anyone finds a 997.2 - minimal options perfectly ok with me - please post it here or better yet e-mail or PM me.

Thanks for all the help everyone, contunue on with ANY comments you have.

NJ-GT

Craig, those are asking prices. Those cars are not selling. Make calls and make offers for the cars you want, more often than not they will take the offer.

Don't pay $110k for a 2010 GT3 when you can buy a 2010 GT3 RS (a much better car) for $115k.

2010 GT3 are in the $90k-$100k depending on options and color, find one on a standard color with PCCB, PDEM, Full Leather, Navi and pay no more than $95k.

The Greek

Ive been looking like crazy. I really want PDEM, but not fond of the PCCB. Dont get me wrong, I know they are great, but for the cost, Id rather just deal with standard brakes. I am surprised how many .2 GT3's are equipped with PCCB though....

Nick

stout

Craig,

Between those three, I too would go 997.2 GT3.

For the money, though, I would go 997-1 GT3 + new dampers + 3.9 (even if the latter is delayed a while). With a 3.9, you won't miss turbocharging. Really.

Land Jet

Craig, good luck with whichever car you choose.