Why the excessive negativity on the Cayman R!
12-02-2010, 12:57 AM
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12-02-2010, 01:47 AM
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"Porsche’s chief of mid-engined cars, Hans-Jürgen Wöhler, told Autocar that the extreme Porsche Cayman R offers a bigger dynamic advantage over the Cayman S than what the Boxster Spyder has over the Boxster S. Wöhler explained that due to the hard-top body’s rigidity, Porsche was able to push the Cayman’s chassis more than the Boxster’s in this lighter variant. Wöhler said that the two Caymans differ when it comes to the stiffness of the bodyshell of the fixed roof."
"He said that the Cayman R’s chassis can “fulfill 100% of its potential.” On the other hand, the Boxster Spyder can only achieve about 90%. He added that the Cayman R features a special set-up of spring rates [5 to 10% stiffer], shock absorbers and torsion bar that is exclusive to this car. In addition, it is lower by 20mm."
"Set to go on sale this February, the Cayman R is about £5000 more expensive than the Cayman S. Porsche predicts that it will be able to sell one R for every five S variants. However, it believes that the take-up might be higher in the UK."
http://www.4wheelsnews.com/porsche-l...-other-models/
Pay attention to this part. The Cayman R's shock absorbers and torsion bar will be exclusive to this car (the Cayman R), so not the same as those found on the Spyder. The spring rates will probably NOT be exactly like those on the Spyder, although it is not perfectly clear to what model he was comparing them (Cayman S or Spyder?) when Wöhler said they would be 5 to 10% stiffer on the Cayman R. The 20mm lower height is the same as for the Spyder.
The statement that the Cayman R "fullfill 100% of its potential" for this chassis vs 90% for the Spyder is a subjective evaluation. But since those words are coming from the engineer in charge of chassis development for the 987 platform, it speaks volumes about what Porsche expects from the Cayman R, especially in comparison to the already much praised & heralded Spyder. The latter is considered by the motoring press as one of the best handling cars in the world! For those naysayers of the just announced Cayman R who believed this was only a cosmetic exercise from the parts bin, please wait until the track & driving test results come in before you write off this model. It may indeed surprise us all. z356
"He said that the Cayman R’s chassis can “fulfill 100% of its potential.” On the other hand, the Boxster Spyder can only achieve about 90%. He added that the Cayman R features a special set-up of spring rates [5 to 10% stiffer], shock absorbers and torsion bar that is exclusive to this car. In addition, it is lower by 20mm."
"Set to go on sale this February, the Cayman R is about £5000 more expensive than the Cayman S. Porsche predicts that it will be able to sell one R for every five S variants. However, it believes that the take-up might be higher in the UK."
http://www.4wheelsnews.com/porsche-l...-other-models/
Pay attention to this part. The Cayman R's shock absorbers and torsion bar will be exclusive to this car (the Cayman R), so not the same as those found on the Spyder. The spring rates will probably NOT be exactly like those on the Spyder, although it is not perfectly clear to what model he was comparing them (Cayman S or Spyder?) when Wöhler said they would be 5 to 10% stiffer on the Cayman R. The 20mm lower height is the same as for the Spyder.
The statement that the Cayman R "fullfill 100% of its potential" for this chassis vs 90% for the Spyder is a subjective evaluation. But since those words are coming from the engineer in charge of chassis development for the 987 platform, it speaks volumes about what Porsche expects from the Cayman R, especially in comparison to the already much praised & heralded Spyder. The latter is considered by the motoring press as one of the best handling cars in the world! For those naysayers of the just announced Cayman R who believed this was only a cosmetic exercise from the parts bin, please wait until the track & driving test results come in before you write off this model. It may indeed surprise us all. z356
12-02-2010, 01:47 AM
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I'm sure this car will be a blast to drive! It is light and mid-engine. Boxster Spyder was voted the best handling car a couple months ago by one of the magazines. But the issue still remains that this car is limited by its engine, transmission and etc...
It could have been built much more race and track oriented and truly deserve the "R" name (with a price increase over where it's priced now of course).
I think for the money, this car is a great catch! Still, it does not feel like such a dramatic change from a Cayman S. It remains to be seen as said before...
It could have been built much more race and track oriented and truly deserve the "R" name (with a price increase over where it's priced now of course).
I think for the money, this car is a great catch! Still, it does not feel like such a dramatic change from a Cayman S. It remains to be seen as said before...
12-02-2010, 03:23 AM
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Lots of us have driven Cayman, Boxsters, GT3, RS, etc.
Cayman R is a fine choice if one wants to buy a new Cayman S ,that's it. If the engineers think that a 5-10% increase on spring rates and stiffer anti-sway bars (not torsion bars) extracted 100% of the chassis performance, then I applaud the Cayman Interseries and CaymanSpec guys for extracting more than 200% of the chassis performance.
The car needs too many improvements, not just more power. Give the Cayman the same power as a GT3, and the GT3 will still dominate as a track day car.
Cayman R is another lame effort from Porsche, such as the GTS, Speedster, Boxster Spyder, and 918 Spyder.
Now, the GT3, GT3 RS, GT2, GT2 RS, Carrera GT, these are very special cars.
Cayman R is a fine choice if one wants to buy a new Cayman S ,that's it. If the engineers think that a 5-10% increase on spring rates and stiffer anti-sway bars (not torsion bars) extracted 100% of the chassis performance, then I applaud the Cayman Interseries and CaymanSpec guys for extracting more than 200% of the chassis performance.
The car needs too many improvements, not just more power. Give the Cayman the same power as a GT3, and the GT3 will still dominate as a track day car.
Cayman R is another lame effort from Porsche, such as the GTS, Speedster, Boxster Spyder, and 918 Spyder.
Now, the GT3, GT3 RS, GT2, GT2 RS, Carrera GT, these are very special cars.
