997.1 RS -- Bilstein Damptronics -- feedback
08-03-2010, 03:17 AM
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So after two weeks' research I've decided to go for KW V3s, mostly because of the stiffer spring rates vs. Bilsteins (my car's 50% track), and also because of my sour experience with the OEM Bilsteins (I'm on my second set of front shocks that's developed crazy rattles due to excessive play within the damper).
Losing PASM is the obvious downside, but I'm hoping I'll cope with it on the streets.
While the mechanics are at it, I've thrown in a set of Motorsport / RSR lower control arms for a wider front track (monoballs too) and the motorsport toe-steer kit.
Am gonna get busy with diallin-in the suspension this week and will test it out on the track next weekend... can't wait!!
p.s. I realize I've just opened pandora's box of suspension mods... wiser folks on this forum have warned that this is a slippery slope...
Losing PASM is the obvious downside, but I'm hoping I'll cope with it on the streets.
While the mechanics are at it, I've thrown in a set of Motorsport / RSR lower control arms for a wider front track (monoballs too) and the motorsport toe-steer kit.
Am gonna get busy with diallin-in the suspension this week and will test it out on the track next weekend... can't wait!!
p.s. I realize I've just opened pandora's box of suspension mods... wiser folks on this forum have warned that this is a slippery slope...
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08-03-2010, 01:16 PM
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08-03-2010, 01:49 PM
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08-03-2010, 04:48 PM
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Should be next season but never know. I keep thinking of a 930 slant which is sorted out but that 8,000 rpm keeps me waiting. Maybe a donor 996Gt3 with a 3.9?? Anyway, I committed to my wife that I would wait until 11.
08-03-2010, 05:06 PM
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a sorted 930, you got to be kidding. they dont exist.
you have to keeping on sorting....
996 gt3 is the way to go....
08-03-2010, 05:08 PM
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it's much cheaper if you just start using pure cocaine....
my saving grace is that i hate swimming, hate pools, hate water, hate boating.... otherwise i really would need to start robbing banks.
08-03-2010, 06:10 PM
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08-03-2010, 06:41 PM
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I can not do that. Paciific is good. Kind of fun lapping a 911 in the boat :-). I only do it for 15-20 then take out the Kitch Lotus and bet the **** out of it.
08-03-2010, 06:42 PM
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08-03-2010, 06:49 PM
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08-03-2010, 08:49 PM
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So after two weeks' research I've decided to go for KW V3s, mostly because of the stiffer spring rates vs. Bilsteins (my car's 50% track), and also because of my sour experience with the OEM Bilsteins (I'm on my second set of front shocks that's developed crazy rattles due to excessive play within the damper).
Losing PASM is the obvious downside, but I'm hoping I'll cope with it on the streets.
While the mechanics are at it, I've thrown in a set of Motorsport / RSR lower control arms for a wider front track (monoballs too) and the motorsport toe-steer kit.
Am gonna get busy with diallin-in the suspension this week and will test it out on the track next weekend... can't wait!!
p.s. I realize I've just opened pandora's box of suspension mods... wiser folks on this forum have warned that this is a slippery slope...
Losing PASM is the obvious downside, but I'm hoping I'll cope with it on the streets.
While the mechanics are at it, I've thrown in a set of Motorsport / RSR lower control arms for a wider front track (monoballs too) and the motorsport toe-steer kit.
Am gonna get busy with diallin-in the suspension this week and will test it out on the track next weekend... can't wait!!
p.s. I realize I've just opened pandora's box of suspension mods... wiser folks on this forum have warned that this is a slippery slope...
RSR control arms will not give you a wider track, what they will do is give you some more camber
with no shims!
08-04-2010, 12:05 AM
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H&R make the OEM springs for the .1 GT3/RS....and you can buy linear H&R race springs in standard 60mm sizes (which are the stock size) in virtually any linear rate and spring height for a direct replacement. TPC is basically doing the same thing with their kit by only replacing the springs (front), but are using a different spring manufacturer simply because they use them on their race cars....thus needing to replace the upper perch. I asked them about this.
Why not just try some stiffer H&R springs?.....shock valving accomodates ranges, not just a single rate. You mean to tell me that Porsche's motorsport baby can't handle higher springs rates? I call total B.S. on that one.
The stock 2010 RS was recently raced for 24hrs on the Ring using the OEM shocks with MUCH stiffer linear H&R race springs to accomodate slicks. 24hrs on the Ring in full race conditions is the equivalent to about 10 years worth of DE's. All I read was praise on the RS's handling. It's not like the valving in the .2 shocks are light years beyond the .1's.
If I had an RS, I'd simply find an H&R race spring distributor and buy a set of stiffer springs, add some GMG bars and other bits, get the car aligned/corner weighted and head to the track. A set of springs costs you $120, so you can play with different rates to suit your style or liking. At such a miniscule cost, how can you afford not to try? You think the shock manufacturers are going to tell you to just switch springs? Not so much.
TPC has hit the nail on the head for those not wanting to go to traditional adjustable dampers, but you are essentially paying for their consultation of which rate to use. You need enough spring to hold the car up, then use bars and camber for additional tuning. Increasing the front and/or rears 100-200# would make a big difference, especially for those who are using DOT R-comps. Hell, at minimum I'd change everything over to a linear rate, even if the rate remains the exact same.
Why not just try some stiffer H&R springs?.....shock valving accomodates ranges, not just a single rate. You mean to tell me that Porsche's motorsport baby can't handle higher springs rates? I call total B.S. on that one.
The stock 2010 RS was recently raced for 24hrs on the Ring using the OEM shocks with MUCH stiffer linear H&R race springs to accomodate slicks. 24hrs on the Ring in full race conditions is the equivalent to about 10 years worth of DE's. All I read was praise on the RS's handling. It's not like the valving in the .2 shocks are light years beyond the .1's.
If I had an RS, I'd simply find an H&R race spring distributor and buy a set of stiffer springs, add some GMG bars and other bits, get the car aligned/corner weighted and head to the track. A set of springs costs you $120, so you can play with different rates to suit your style or liking. At such a miniscule cost, how can you afford not to try? You think the shock manufacturers are going to tell you to just switch springs? Not so much.
TPC has hit the nail on the head for those not wanting to go to traditional adjustable dampers, but you are essentially paying for their consultation of which rate to use. You need enough spring to hold the car up, then use bars and camber for additional tuning. Increasing the front and/or rears 100-200# would make a big difference, especially for those who are using DOT R-comps. Hell, at minimum I'd change everything over to a linear rate, even if the rate remains the exact same.
Last edited by Mvez; 08-04-2010 at 12:22 AM.
