View Poll Results: How much are you paying for your Mk2 GT3
over MSRP
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0%
MSRP
26
72.22%
-1 to 2 k under
4
11.11%
-3 k under
3
8.33%
-4 to 5 k under
3
8.33%
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Mk2 GT3 pricing poll
07-18-2009, 01:13 PM
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Man Having owned TWO GT3s both 996 and 997 I would have a hard time paying
MSRP when prices on a C2S 3.8 are so low- and its is almost as fast and you can get it for UNDER INVOICE
not MSRP!! If you guys are having a hard time on price then look at getting a C2S and
tracking that. Save yourself $15k for track goodies for your C2S.
MSRP when prices on a C2S 3.8 are so low- and its is almost as fast and you can get it for UNDER INVOICE
not MSRP!! If you guys are having a hard time on price then look at getting a C2S and
tracking that. Save yourself $15k for track goodies for your C2S.
07-18-2009, 01:19 PM
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2% off here. Thought it was reasonable at the time so I bit.
07-18-2009, 03:23 PM
#6
My dealer called me and offered me msrp on a gt3 997.2 right off the bat. I wonder how much I could haggle him down 
He also mentioned that sick sick sick deals on a 997s which would be very tempting - it would be a huge price spread from 997s to a gt3..
He also mentioned that sick sick sick deals on a 997s which would be very tempting - it would be a huge price spread from 997s to a gt3..
07-18-2009, 03:55 PM
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Dealer offered me 4% off the base price (before options) upfront without me asking.
Of course the trade-in value of my mk1 is beyond ridiculous, but that's a separate deal.
Of course the trade-in value of my mk1 is beyond ridiculous, but that's a separate deal.
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07-18-2009, 07:04 PM
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Crispy, I can tell you if you pay MSRP on your GT3 then the price diff to a C2S would be -$35K
assuming a $120K GT3 price not including taxes.
assuming a $120K GT3 price not including taxes.
07-19-2009, 08:02 PM
#9
You should not see ANY over MSRP. If any dealer is trying to go higher, contact PCNA. Porsche's direction is to not sell the cars over MSRP. If they find out, that dealer will lose allocations. I am still negotiating mine. Mine is a late build, late November.
...and what does that have to do with it? In 04', the base price of a GT3 was $30k over a Carrera (at list). You could get a Carrera for about a $6K discount. In 07' they were about $26K over a Carrera S (at list). You could get a $6-7K discount. A Carrera or a Carrera S are never going to be a GT3. They will never have a comparable engine (even in X51 form), transmission or suspension. When you look at what the GT3 does come with, it makes it a bargain.
- The X51 option from over the years ran $13-17K. The new X51 (this fall) with 406 hp will run $17k. This is still below the power of a GT3.
- Aero kit is a $7K option on the last Carrera S. It should be about the same when the 997.2 aerokit becomes available in the spring. It is standard on the GT3.
- Wider sport design wheels are a $835 option on the Carrera S (about $1300 previously) and are still now as wide as the GT3 wheels.
- Sport suspension with LSD is another $1000 on a Carrera S (it is a bargain and insane if you get a 09+ 911 without it). It is still far softer and has none of the adjustability of a GT3.
- Sport seats are $800 on the Carrera S, standard on the GT3.
- You have to pony up $960 on a Carrera S to get a sport mode as it only comes with sports chrono. It is standard on the GT3.
- Alcantara trim will run $3000 for the steering wheel, gear shift and parking brake on the Carrera S. Standard on the GT3.
See where this philosophy is flawed? This is not even getting into the other options like full leather, upgraded stereo, etc. This is just trying to equilize what is standard on a GT3 to options on a Carrera S. Add all this up and you will get a high option Carrera S that costs as much as a GT3, yet never comes close in performance and has a substantually lower resale value. You don't even get anything close in brakes on the S unless you spend $9K for PCCBs.
Here is something else to think about: GT3 vs. 997 Turbo. The new GT3 is speced from Porsche to be faster accelerating (straight from Porsche 0-200 kph spec for both) and has bigger brakes than a 997 Turbo 6-sp. If you are looking for a car you are going to track at least part of the time, how can you justify paying $18K more for a turbo (just base price to base price, turbo needs more options to be equal) if it is not even faster in a straight line? In the Porsche product lineup the GT3 always has been a bargain.
- The X51 option from over the years ran $13-17K. The new X51 (this fall) with 406 hp will run $17k. This is still below the power of a GT3.
- Aero kit is a $7K option on the last Carrera S. It should be about the same when the 997.2 aerokit becomes available in the spring. It is standard on the GT3.
- Wider sport design wheels are a $835 option on the Carrera S (about $1300 previously) and are still now as wide as the GT3 wheels.
- Sport suspension with LSD is another $1000 on a Carrera S (it is a bargain and insane if you get a 09+ 911 without it). It is still far softer and has none of the adjustability of a GT3.
- Sport seats are $800 on the Carrera S, standard on the GT3.
- You have to pony up $960 on a Carrera S to get a sport mode as it only comes with sports chrono. It is standard on the GT3.
- Alcantara trim will run $3000 for the steering wheel, gear shift and parking brake on the Carrera S. Standard on the GT3.
See where this philosophy is flawed? This is not even getting into the other options like full leather, upgraded stereo, etc. This is just trying to equilize what is standard on a GT3 to options on a Carrera S. Add all this up and you will get a high option Carrera S that costs as much as a GT3, yet never comes close in performance and has a substantually lower resale value. You don't even get anything close in brakes on the S unless you spend $9K for PCCBs.
Here is something else to think about: GT3 vs. 997 Turbo. The new GT3 is speced from Porsche to be faster accelerating (straight from Porsche 0-200 kph spec for both) and has bigger brakes than a 997 Turbo 6-sp. If you are looking for a car you are going to track at least part of the time, how can you justify paying $18K more for a turbo (just base price to base price, turbo needs more options to be equal) if it is not even faster in a straight line? In the Porsche product lineup the GT3 always has been a bargain.
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07-19-2009, 09:47 PM
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One thing that would make the poll even more interesting is seeing how optioned (low, med, high) the cars are tied to the % paid.
For example, I'm at MSRP, but I was able to build my own car with very few options (sound pkg, fire bottle, chrono). I suspect if I spent more in options (med-high), my dealer may have given me a little bit of a brake.
For example, I'm at MSRP, but I was able to build my own car with very few options (sound pkg, fire bottle, chrono). I suspect if I spent more in options (med-high), my dealer may have given me a little bit of a brake.
08-01-2009, 02:20 PM
#12
When making any price comparisons, the model year should be taken into account. It's not equal to compare a 2009 C2S to a 2010 GT3 unless one discounts about $7K-$9k per model year alone. 2010 C2Ss are unlikely to have the same discount as a 2009 either. Just food for thought.
For me a 2009 C2S would have to have sport exhaust -although still not as cool as a GT3, SPASM w/axle lock, sport chrono (needed on a C2S imo, not needed nor desired on a GT3) and sport shifter which add $5,100 or so to the price. Add the model year diff and you lessen the disparity by roughly $12,000 rght off the bat. You still don't have an aero kit; the real deal that is, nor a GT3. Add the GT3s better brakes and wheels, etc... and the disparity becomes even less to me.
For me a 2009 C2S would have to have sport exhaust -although still not as cool as a GT3, SPASM w/axle lock, sport chrono (needed on a C2S imo, not needed nor desired on a GT3) and sport shifter which add $5,100 or so to the price. Add the model year diff and you lessen the disparity by roughly $12,000 rght off the bat. You still don't have an aero kit; the real deal that is, nor a GT3. Add the GT3s better brakes and wheels, etc... and the disparity becomes even less to me.
Last edited by 911dev; 08-01-2009 at 06:29 PM.
08-01-2009, 02:22 PM
#13
You should not see ANY over MSRP. If any dealer is trying to go higher, contact PCNA. Porsche's direction is to not sell the cars over MSRP. If they find out, that dealer will lose allocations. I am still negotiating mine. Mine is a late build, late November.
...and what does that have to do with it? In 04', the base price of a GT3 was $30k over a Carrera (at list). You could get a Carrera for about a $6K discount. In 07' they were about $26K over a Carrera S (at list). You could get a $6-7K discount. A Carrera or a Carrera S are never going to be a GT3. They will never have a comparable engine (even in X51 form), transmission or suspension. When you look at what the GT3 does come with, it makes it a bargain.
- The X51 option from over the years ran $13-17K. The new X51 (this fall) with 406 hp will run $17k. This is still below the power of a GT3.
- Aero kit is a $7K option on the last Carrera S. It should be about the same when the 997.2 aerokit becomes available in the spring. It is standard on the GT3.
- Wider sport design wheels are a $835 option on the Carrera S (about $1300 previously) and are still now as wide as the GT3 wheels.
- Sport suspension with LSD is another $1000 on a Carrera S (it is a bargain and insane if you get a 09+ 911 without it). It is still far softer and has none of the adjustability of a GT3.
- Sport seats are $800 on the Carrera S, standard on the GT3.
- You have to pony up $960 on a Carrera S to get a sport mode as it only comes with sports chrono. It is standard on the GT3.
- Alcantara trim will run $3000 for the steering wheel, gear shift and parking brake on the Carrera S. Standard on the GT3.
See where this philosophy is flawed? This is not even getting into the other options like full leather, upgraded stereo, etc. This is just trying to equilize what is standard on a GT3 to options on a Carrera S. Add all this up and you will get a high option Carrera S that costs as much as a GT3, yet never comes close in performance and has a substantually lower resale value. You don't even get anything close in brakes on the S unless you spend $9K for PCCBs.
Here is something else to think about: GT3 vs. 997 Turbo. The new GT3 is speced from Porsche to be faster accelerating (straight from Porsche 0-200 kph spec for both) and has bigger brakes than a 997 Turbo 6-sp. If you are looking for a car you are going to track at least part of the time, how can you justify paying $18K more for a turbo (just base price to base price, turbo needs more options to be equal) if it is not even faster in a straight line? In the Porsche product lineup the GT3 always has been a bargain.
...and what does that have to do with it? In 04', the base price of a GT3 was $30k over a Carrera (at list). You could get a Carrera for about a $6K discount. In 07' they were about $26K over a Carrera S (at list). You could get a $6-7K discount. A Carrera or a Carrera S are never going to be a GT3. They will never have a comparable engine (even in X51 form), transmission or suspension. When you look at what the GT3 does come with, it makes it a bargain.
- The X51 option from over the years ran $13-17K. The new X51 (this fall) with 406 hp will run $17k. This is still below the power of a GT3.
- Aero kit is a $7K option on the last Carrera S. It should be about the same when the 997.2 aerokit becomes available in the spring. It is standard on the GT3.
- Wider sport design wheels are a $835 option on the Carrera S (about $1300 previously) and are still now as wide as the GT3 wheels.
- Sport suspension with LSD is another $1000 on a Carrera S (it is a bargain and insane if you get a 09+ 911 without it). It is still far softer and has none of the adjustability of a GT3.
- Sport seats are $800 on the Carrera S, standard on the GT3.
- You have to pony up $960 on a Carrera S to get a sport mode as it only comes with sports chrono. It is standard on the GT3.
- Alcantara trim will run $3000 for the steering wheel, gear shift and parking brake on the Carrera S. Standard on the GT3.
See where this philosophy is flawed? This is not even getting into the other options like full leather, upgraded stereo, etc. This is just trying to equilize what is standard on a GT3 to options on a Carrera S. Add all this up and you will get a high option Carrera S that costs as much as a GT3, yet never comes close in performance and has a substantually lower resale value. You don't even get anything close in brakes on the S unless you spend $9K for PCCBs.
Here is something else to think about: GT3 vs. 997 Turbo. The new GT3 is speced from Porsche to be faster accelerating (straight from Porsche 0-200 kph spec for both) and has bigger brakes than a 997 Turbo 6-sp. If you are looking for a car you are going to track at least part of the time, how can you justify paying $18K more for a turbo (just base price to base price, turbo needs more options to be equal) if it is not even faster in a straight line? In the Porsche product lineup the GT3 always has been a bargain.
+1.
09-11-2009, 02:23 PM
#15
When making any price comparisons, the model year should be taken into account. It's not equal to compare a 2009 C2S to a 2010 GT3 unless one discounts about $7K-$9k per model year alone. 2010 C2Ss are unlikely to have the same discount as a 2009 either. Just food for thought.
For me a 2009 C2S would have to have sport exhaust -although still not as cool as a GT3, SPASM w/axle lock, sport chrono (needed on a C2S imo, not needed nor desired on a GT3) and sport shifter which add $5,100 or so to the price. Add the model year diff and you lessen the disparity by roughly $12,000 rght off the bat. You still don't have an aero kit; the real deal that is, nor a GT3. Add the GT3s better brakes and wheels, etc... and the disparity becomes even less to me.
For me a 2009 C2S would have to have sport exhaust -although still not as cool as a GT3, SPASM w/axle lock, sport chrono (needed on a C2S imo, not needed nor desired on a GT3) and sport shifter which add $5,100 or so to the price. Add the model year diff and you lessen the disparity by roughly $12,000 rght off the bat. You still don't have an aero kit; the real deal that is, nor a GT3. Add the GT3s better brakes and wheels, etc... and the disparity becomes even less to me.
Agreed. If you tried to get a C2S for any other reason than PDK -- or maybe the necessity of rear seats, in which case, you're better off in a 997.1 GT3 -- the price/value delta between the 997.2 Carrera and 997.2 GT3 makes the GT3 great value even if you don't add on all the best performance factory options to the Carrera. Of course, not everyone can readily step from a $80K deal up 20% to a $100K deal.
<insert thread re. track risks, real costs for one track day, benefits of safety gear investment, etc. etc. ...>
Also, for what it's worth, these early pre-engine-mount cars are $5K to $10K under for good customers. If ordering one, I doubt the discounting would be as aggressive. As for the engine mounts, just put in some solid or semi-solid mounts and forgetaboutit.