997.1 RS vs 997.2 non-RS
07-19-2009, 11:08 PM
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today the 997.2 GT3 is a great car when compared to the 997.1 GT3RS.
in 5-10 years the RS will still be an interesting car, the non RS cars will be great performance bargins but not as interesting as the RS. The regular GT3's wil always be outdone by the model thereafter, but RS's will always have that little "something".
do you want that little "something"? is the question. ( personally, i kinda did. For the long haul, thus i went used RS.)
A well sorted RS has just as much a chance as any non RS 997.2 GT3 on any giving track at any given time.
in 5-10 years the RS will still be an interesting car, the non RS cars will be great performance bargins but not as interesting as the RS. The regular GT3's wil always be outdone by the model thereafter, but RS's will always have that little "something".
do you want that little "something"? is the question. ( personally, i kinda did. For the long haul, thus i went used RS.)
A well sorted RS has just as much a chance as any non RS 997.2 GT3 on any giving track at any given time.
07-20-2009, 06:36 AM
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The RS.1 is a fantastic car, but it has no chance against the GT3.2 on the track (given equal drivers).
07-20-2009, 10:33 AM
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The new engine makes more power across the entire revband than the old one. The GT3.2 has more downforce than the RS.1, has improved brakes, improved suspension and can be spec'd with dynamic engine mounts.
The RS.1 is a fantastic car, but it has no chance against the GT3.2 on the track (given equal drivers).
The RS.1 is a fantastic car, but it has no chance against the GT3.2 on the track (given equal drivers).
when i say sorted, i mean lightweight exhaust, good shocks, sways, monos, tires and alignment.
i would take the 'pepsi challenge' against a new out of box 997.2 GT3 all day long with that combo in a 997.1 GT3RS
07-20-2009, 11:00 AM
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The new engine makes more power across the entire revband than the old one. The GT3.2 has more downforce than the RS.1, has improved brakes, improved suspension and can be spec'd with dynamic engine mounts.
The RS.1 is a fantastic car, but it has no chance against the GT3.2 on the track (given equal drivers).
The RS.1 is a fantastic car, but it has no chance against the GT3.2 on the track (given equal drivers).
What is interesting is that when you look at that old post that shows the downforce specs of the gt3 versus the cupcar it is only the rear downforce that is substantially higher and in fact the cup (not rsr) appears to run with no downforce at all (just no lift)
The brakes are not improved either if we are comparing ceramics (not really anyway)
To me it is all the engine and weight - new car has more hp and without the sunroof it weighs the same - thus it is faster
The only thing the mk1 gt3/rs lacks was 'more hp' to keep up with the turbos on the straights
If the new RS has 450hp it will be the real thing - a 3000# car with good aero and enough hp to hang with most turbo cars on the straights
It is the hp disadvantage to cars like the z06 that kill you on tracks like Mosport - at least now it will only be 50hp and not 100
The other "advantage" wider rear track is not really an anvantage since it is so minimal - personally more tire in the front (better braking and turning) is preferable in my opinion (run the 235/35/19 hoosier) upfront and you will see what i mean. If the new RS actually lets you fit an even wider (275 type hoosier up front) it will be better yet again - but again just ordering the cup front fenders (only a discerning eye will see the difference) allows you to widen the front track with a spacer and run a 265 type tire up front - also, since the rear fender is not rolled, if you do roll it aggressively you can easily fit a 325 hoosier in the rear of the narrow body gt3 - thus 265/325
The new car is all about the 3.8 (everything else while a little better is really irrelevant) - and personally with the .2 litre displacement increase and the added 100rpms I think it is likely that they have understated the power by 10hp (as we can now see the noted specs that the rs will be 14hp higher (i have done a lot of work on intakes and don't buy for a second that it is worth 14hp)
The RS will hopefully add better track gearing (they really should also improve the LSD clutches) and between the titanium exhaust, some plastic windows lighter door trim and a lwfw should be able to come in 100#s lighter in total - 15 more hp and 100#s lighter has to be worth 1/2 second a lap - stock car to stock car per 60 second lap.
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07-20-2009, 12:44 PM
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Specious argument - the 997.2 could also be modded and would in theory still retain its advantages vs. the 997.1. Stock vs stock, or modded vs modded is the comparison which is relevant. The OP's post implied stock vs. stock.
07-21-2009, 10:09 AM
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