Dynamic Engine Mounts And Front Axle Lifting System Released
08-30-2009, 07:56 PM
#16
I'm thinking a little bit more laterally ... why not put the lower third of the nose and chin on lifter system (like the rear wing in a Carrera or a Turbo) and have it raised manually or lowered even closer to the ground for track days and _designed_ for the purpose with the expectation of hitting the curbs and gutters?
* Then add removable clip-on side skirts, clip-on rear diffuser and you're fully aero and all the bits that get trashed with stones are "consumables" (and recurring revenue for Porsche.)
* Maybe even some clip-on low-hanging brake cooling ducts?
* How about designing the car to accept after-market air-jacks in a street car to go along with those spiffy centerlocks?
* Mounts for a temporary fire-system?
* Design the components under the front trunk to be clip-in/clip-out?
* Supply head-light blanks to remove those spendy Xenons instead of worrying about making them a couple of ounces lighter?
* Have all of the GT3 and RS tubs come with the roll cage mounts welded into the frame (including attachments to the A and B pillar like an "integrated" cage.)
* H hell, just ask for $10K extra for an integrated cage chassis and then the driver bolts in the cross member for the belts and door bars ...) If that's a matter of DOT in the US, then let's compare how many Targas sell compared to the sum of all GT cars to defray the crash-testing etc.
If Porsche wanted to make the GT3 or the RS a "track day" edition, it wouldn't take a lot of R&D to address at least some of these ideas (not one of which is new or extraordinary.)
08-30-2009, 09:00 PM
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08-30-2009, 10:48 PM
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08-31-2009, 12:39 AM
#20
I'm thinking a little bit more laterally ... why not put the lower third of the nose and chin on lifter system (like the rear wing in a Carrera or a Turbo) and have it raised manually or lowered even closer to the ground for track days and _designed_ for the purpose with the expectation of hitting the curbs and gutters?
* Then add removable clip-on side skirts, clip-on rear diffuser and you're fully aero and all the bits that get trashed with stones are "consumables" (and recurring revenue for Porsche.)
* Maybe even some clip-on low-hanging brake cooling ducts?
* How about designing the car to accept after-market air-jacks in a street car to go along with those spiffy centerlocks?
* Mounts for a temporary fire-system?
* Design the components under the front trunk to be clip-in/clip-out?
* Supply head-light blanks to remove those spendy Xenons instead of worrying about making them a couple of ounces lighter?
* Have all of the GT3 and RS tubs come with the roll cage mounts welded into the frame (including attachments to the A and B pillar like an "integrated" cage.)
* H hell, just ask for $10K extra for an integrated cage chassis and then the driver bolts in the cross member for the belts and door bars ...) If that's a matter of DOT in the US, then let's compare how many Targas sell compared to the sum of all GT cars to defray the crash-testing etc.
If Porsche wanted to make the GT3 or the RS a "track day" edition, it wouldn't take a lot of R&D to address at least some of these ideas (not one of which is new or extraordinary.)
* Then add removable clip-on side skirts, clip-on rear diffuser and you're fully aero and all the bits that get trashed with stones are "consumables" (and recurring revenue for Porsche.)
* Maybe even some clip-on low-hanging brake cooling ducts?
* How about designing the car to accept after-market air-jacks in a street car to go along with those spiffy centerlocks?
* Mounts for a temporary fire-system?
* Design the components under the front trunk to be clip-in/clip-out?
* Supply head-light blanks to remove those spendy Xenons instead of worrying about making them a couple of ounces lighter?
* Have all of the GT3 and RS tubs come with the roll cage mounts welded into the frame (including attachments to the A and B pillar like an "integrated" cage.)
* H hell, just ask for $10K extra for an integrated cage chassis and then the driver bolts in the cross member for the belts and door bars ...) If that's a matter of DOT in the US, then let's compare how many Targas sell compared to the sum of all GT cars to defray the crash-testing etc.
If Porsche wanted to make the GT3 or the RS a "track day" edition, it wouldn't take a lot of R&D to address at least some of these ideas (not one of which is new or extraordinary.)
Think I will turn out the lights and close the door now...
08-31-2009, 01:50 PM
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I tend to agree that 30mm just isn't going to cut it. I'm thinking of every situation where a couple of 2x4's aren't enough (to clear a gutter or get into a trailer.) so that's about 50mm of lift. Maybe the '11 cars will get a 60mm noselift option, and on and on and on...
I'm thinking a little bit more laterally ... why not put the lower third of the nose and chin on lifter system (like the rear wing in a Carrera or a Turbo) and have it raised manually or lowered even closer to the ground for track days and _designed_ for the purpose with the expectation of hitting the curbs and gutters?
* Then add removable clip-on side skirts, clip-on rear diffuser and you're fully aero and all the bits that get trashed with stones are "consumables" (and recurring revenue for Porsche.)
* Maybe even some clip-on low-hanging brake cooling ducts?
* How about designing the car to accept after-market air-jacks in a street car to go along with those spiffy centerlocks?
* Mounts for a temporary fire-system?
* Design the components under the front trunk to be clip-in/clip-out?
* Supply head-light blanks to remove those spendy Xenons instead of worrying about making them a couple of ounces lighter?
* Have all of the GT3 and RS tubs come with the roll cage mounts welded into the frame (including attachments to the A and B pillar like an "integrated" cage.)
* H hell, just ask for $10K extra for an integrated cage chassis and then the driver bolts in the cross member for the belts and door bars ...) If that's a matter of DOT in the US, then let's compare how many Targas sell compared to the sum of all GT cars to defray the crash-testing etc.
If Porsche wanted to make the GT3 or the RS a "track day" edition, it wouldn't take a lot of R&D to address at least some of these ideas (not one of which is new or extraordinary.)
I'm thinking a little bit more laterally ... why not put the lower third of the nose and chin on lifter system (like the rear wing in a Carrera or a Turbo) and have it raised manually or lowered even closer to the ground for track days and _designed_ for the purpose with the expectation of hitting the curbs and gutters?
* Then add removable clip-on side skirts, clip-on rear diffuser and you're fully aero and all the bits that get trashed with stones are "consumables" (and recurring revenue for Porsche.)
* Maybe even some clip-on low-hanging brake cooling ducts?
* How about designing the car to accept after-market air-jacks in a street car to go along with those spiffy centerlocks?
* Mounts for a temporary fire-system?
* Design the components under the front trunk to be clip-in/clip-out?
* Supply head-light blanks to remove those spendy Xenons instead of worrying about making them a couple of ounces lighter?
* Have all of the GT3 and RS tubs come with the roll cage mounts welded into the frame (including attachments to the A and B pillar like an "integrated" cage.)
* H hell, just ask for $10K extra for an integrated cage chassis and then the driver bolts in the cross member for the belts and door bars ...) If that's a matter of DOT in the US, then let's compare how many Targas sell compared to the sum of all GT cars to defray the crash-testing etc.
If Porsche wanted to make the GT3 or the RS a "track day" edition, it wouldn't take a lot of R&D to address at least some of these ideas (not one of which is new or extraordinary.)
08-31-2009, 08:13 PM
#22
Well, thanks, yes, all good ideas, but nothing new or original, just the very bread and butter product management and "road map" planning that any market leader should be applying ... but Porsche hasn't taken this approach in the last half century, so I don't expect they'll change any time soon.
With only limited racing programs, the end of the family control and no on-going self-control, Porsche looks "rudderless" once VW takes over the books.
I think we can expect VW to screw up Porsche just as thoroughly as they've screwed up Lamborghini. They'll dig into the parts bin and start sharing across the platforms, they'll focus on brand engineering and they'll shelve innovative engineering -- the designs will coalesce in a mild "pleasing, not provocative" blandness that only a committee can puke up and a penny conscious "median" buyer will fill out their satisfaction survey to be mindless averaged into a blurred-vision numbness of NVH and "touch point" quality.
If you want a Lamborghini today, your last chance is the Murcielago -- the Gallardo is a Lambo in name only. If you want a Porsche, let's hope the 911 lives on, but the prospects of the this current crop of rumored lightweights and supersports for Frankfurter, well, I don't see VW continuing on those fronts of advancement when their business plan is just that: business, not the peoples' car, but the peoples' second largest single purchase and long term debt.
I think if you want to see the "corporate" directives in Porsche, just look at the Panamera and Porsche's 2010 messages: "diesel, hybrid, family sports sedan, ... lighter SUVs, ... heavier sports cars" ... Things I don't see: factory Paris Dakar? ... factory Le Mans, ALMS or Daytona?
I've read the "feel good" marketing spin from VW and I'm not convinced. Color me "skeptical."
With only limited racing programs, the end of the family control and no on-going self-control, Porsche looks "rudderless" once VW takes over the books.
I think we can expect VW to screw up Porsche just as thoroughly as they've screwed up Lamborghini. They'll dig into the parts bin and start sharing across the platforms, they'll focus on brand engineering and they'll shelve innovative engineering -- the designs will coalesce in a mild "pleasing, not provocative" blandness that only a committee can puke up and a penny conscious "median" buyer will fill out their satisfaction survey to be mindless averaged into a blurred-vision numbness of NVH and "touch point" quality.
If you want a Lamborghini today, your last chance is the Murcielago -- the Gallardo is a Lambo in name only. If you want a Porsche, let's hope the 911 lives on, but the prospects of the this current crop of rumored lightweights and supersports for Frankfurter, well, I don't see VW continuing on those fronts of advancement when their business plan is just that: business, not the peoples' car, but the peoples' second largest single purchase and long term debt.
I think if you want to see the "corporate" directives in Porsche, just look at the Panamera and Porsche's 2010 messages: "diesel, hybrid, family sports sedan, ... lighter SUVs, ... heavier sports cars" ... Things I don't see: factory Paris Dakar? ... factory Le Mans, ALMS or Daytona?
I've read the "feel good" marketing spin from VW and I'm not convinced. Color me "skeptical."
08-31-2009, 08:16 PM
#23
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Well, thanks, yes, all good ideas, but nothing new or original, just the very bread and butter product management and "road map" planning that any market leader should be applying ... but Porsche hasn't taken this approach in the last half century, so I don't expect they'll change any time soon.
With only limited racing programs, the end of the family control and no on-going self-control, Porsche looks "rudderless" once VW takes over the books.
I think we can expect VW to screw up Porsche just as thoroughly as they've screwed up Lamborghini. They'll dig into the parts bin and start sharing across the platforms, they'll focus on brand engineering and they'll shelve innovative engineering -- the designs will coalesce in a mild "pleasing, not provocative" blandness that only a committee can puke up and a penny conscious "median" buyer will fill out their satisfaction survey to be mindless averaged into a blurred-vision numbness of NVH and "touch point" quality.
If you want a Lamborghini today, your last chance is the Murcielago -- the Gallardo is a Lambo in name only. If you want a Porsche, let's hope the 911 lives on, but the prospects of the this current crop of rumored lightweights and supersports for Frankfurter, well, I don't see VW continuing on those fronts of advancement when their business plan is just that: business, not the peoples' car, but the peoples' second largest single purchase and long term debt.
I think if you want to see the "corporate" directives in Porsche, just look at the Panamera and Porsche's 2010 messages: "diesel, hybrid, family sports sedan, ... lighter SUVs, ... heavier sports cars" ... Things I don't see: factory Paris Dakar? ... factory Le Mans, ALMS or Daytona?
I've read the "feel good" marketing spin from VW and I'm not convinced. Color me "skeptical."
With only limited racing programs, the end of the family control and no on-going self-control, Porsche looks "rudderless" once VW takes over the books.
I think we can expect VW to screw up Porsche just as thoroughly as they've screwed up Lamborghini. They'll dig into the parts bin and start sharing across the platforms, they'll focus on brand engineering and they'll shelve innovative engineering -- the designs will coalesce in a mild "pleasing, not provocative" blandness that only a committee can puke up and a penny conscious "median" buyer will fill out their satisfaction survey to be mindless averaged into a blurred-vision numbness of NVH and "touch point" quality.
If you want a Lamborghini today, your last chance is the Murcielago -- the Gallardo is a Lambo in name only. If you want a Porsche, let's hope the 911 lives on, but the prospects of the this current crop of rumored lightweights and supersports for Frankfurter, well, I don't see VW continuing on those fronts of advancement when their business plan is just that: business, not the peoples' car, but the peoples' second largest single purchase and long term debt.
I think if you want to see the "corporate" directives in Porsche, just look at the Panamera and Porsche's 2010 messages: "diesel, hybrid, family sports sedan, ... lighter SUVs, ... heavier sports cars" ... Things I don't see: factory Paris Dakar? ... factory Le Mans, ALMS or Daytona?
I've read the "feel good" marketing spin from VW and I'm not convinced. Color me "skeptical."
09-01-2009, 12:17 AM
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I dunno... 30mm isn't a lot to be honest. Even these two kits that we've installed do more than that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbtTDTmZryI
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyVEcfdGWFI
09-01-2009, 12:39 AM
#25
Since then I removed Front End Lift as it only raises the car 1.2" (30mm) at the lip of the spoiler. It only raises the car 20mm at the front axle. Since front lips are so cheap and the aftermarket front end lift systems lift higher for the same cost, it was a no brainer to take it off the order.
