mooty

perhaps i wasn't clear. i DONT KNOW how to do fast and progressive. braking is my weakest link.

the fast driver i rode with... he brakes early, drag his foot on the brake for a nanosecond, then squeeze it hard, let the brake go but foot still on it, once it's at his desired speed, back on throttle usually before turn in and WOT right before apex. his foot is on brake pedal 1/2 the time i am on mine, but he stops faster and with no nose dive. i can describe it, but i have never been able to duplicate what he does.

Carnerd

Is he faster than you around the track? Arent you supposed to trail brake these cars for better front end grip on turn in? Although i suppose you could set the car up for that kind of driving style.

joyride5

from 911 pro racers... they all tell me slow in fast out.. esp on these rear engine cars. BUT, not slow enough that you can't recover the time lost to get up to speed. There is a fine line.... being able to WOT as early as possible is KEY w/o losing too much speed going into the corner.

Brian S

Progressive braking can be used while trail braking so they are different techniques for different times.

Progressive braking should be your standard method, touch the brake enough to get the weight to the front of the car, and then increase until just before the threshold and then release with the same slow movement. This is actually faster than stabbing the brakes to ABS when done properly. The trick is to keep the inertia of the car stable, and not jerky.

Trail braking is used to turn tighter than you would normally, and to me isn't really ideal unless you missed the turn in the first place or you just put a pass on the inside under braking and must defend the inside line even though you would usually go a bit wider because you're off the correct line.

Once you are at the speed that is required for the turn which means you slowly let off the brake pedal and got back to the accelerator and kept the same speed going you can then turn in, and use the accelerator to control the attitude of the car, lift slightly and the car will turn in harder, accelerate and the car will push out. Keep the steering wheel at the same angle for the most part, you don't want to look like a bus driver shifting back and forth because the throttle will control where the car goes. Ideally you will be in the right place where you can use as much power as your car can put down at the apex. If you are accelerating before the apex, you usually cut the corner too much and could afford to use more of the track.

(except if you're just completely off line, then this entire post should be disregarded and you should slow down 10mph on corner entry, and work on the line)

mooty

LOL, yes, faster than just about EVERY GT3 in nor cal. i would guess he's faster than jeff r., who's oh.... about 3 seconds faster than me.


DO NOT trail brake a GT3 until you got 30 days on it. if you trailed 1/2 second too long, you are gone. and for faster turns you dont need to trail brake much at all.

mooty

my description wasn't clear. all that action happens on the straight. his foot is usually off brk before turn in. so technically not trail braking. u have to watch it. i saw, i learned, i will never get there.

mooty

i think we are in total agreement.
i mentioned i stab the brakes. that's not what i intend to do. it's only when i f-up. i haven't master progressive braking and continue to try to learn that elusive skill. that's perhaps the hardest skill to learn in driving.

Brian S

But probably the second most rewarding, the most rewarding for me was coming from a mid engine platform to the rear engine and learning how to throttle steer the car (not formula-d style)

Throttle steering alone picked up 1 full second at a track that I am very familiar with but was not used to a rear engine car yet.

All I did was drive an old 80's turbo on rock hard tires for 5 laps, and learned how it works at 40mph in a corner instead of the 100mph required with my gt3 but its the same feeling. I jumped in my car, and within maybe 5 laps I was a full second faster than I had ever run before.

lawjdc

Back in the day I was trailbraking my '73 S into the corkscrew at Laguna. Haven't had the ***** to do it in the GT3 yet. Maybe someday . . .

mooty

you dont need to on GT3, just tighten up the rear. no understeer there.

lawjdc

John - you are the god of laguna seca.

Are you going to run POC August 22 - 24?

-Doug

mooty

i cna't make POC.
but i will be at PCA GGR 8/15-17. a LOT of rennlister GT3 will be there. it will be fine, if i dont get 10 black flags in one session hahahaha.

lawjdc

I am doing the Monterey Historics on the 8/15-17 weekend, so I can't do PCA GGR at Thunderhill that weekend. Why would anyone black flag you at THill?

Carnerd

Whoa, who is this guy?

Ya i figured. First time i got in the car i attempted a trail brake into a slow corner (20 mph or so) and upon turn in the car went extremely sideways. I think in addition to me not knowing how to properly trail brake the stock alignment had something to do with it. Good thing i was going slow enough to catch the slide.

I'd love to see this. Will he be at GGR's Aug DE/TT?

mooty

black flag not meatball.
i seem to tail gate too much trying to learn eric's (early apex's line)