Road & Track: Z06 vs GT-R vs 911Turbo
03-19-2008, 01:27 PM
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Road & Track: Z06 vs GT-R vs 911Turbo
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=6594
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...6911_chart.pdf
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...echDetails.pdf
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...ct_OnTrack.pdf
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...ngAnalysis.pdf
Nissan GT-R:
Lap time: 1:56.9
84.0 mph avG.
“The Gt-r just
does so many
things so well. It
has terrific brakes,
and the stability is
amazing. You can
be really deep in a corner, and all you’re
thinking about is how quick you can get
back on the throttle. the car can get
into a big drift, but all you have to do
is stand on the gas, steer to where you
want to go, and let the all-wheel drive
pull it strongly off the corner. there’s a
little understeer on entry, but as soon as
heavy throttle is applied, the car becomes
neutral. the car loves to be loaded and is
at its best when driven hard into corners.
It seems to have more grip that way. the
steering is wonderful, and the paddle
shifters allow me to have both hands
on the steering wheel. overall, I’m very
impressed; the Gt-r gives me more feed-
back and more confidence than any street
car I’ve ever driven on a racetrack.”
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...6911_chart.pdf
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...echDetails.pdf
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...ct_OnTrack.pdf
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...ngAnalysis.pdf
Nissan GT-R:
Lap time: 1:56.9
84.0 mph avG.
“The Gt-r just
does so many
things so well. It
has terrific brakes,
and the stability is
amazing. You can
be really deep in a corner, and all you’re
thinking about is how quick you can get
back on the throttle. the car can get
into a big drift, but all you have to do
is stand on the gas, steer to where you
want to go, and let the all-wheel drive
pull it strongly off the corner. there’s a
little understeer on entry, but as soon as
heavy throttle is applied, the car becomes
neutral. the car loves to be loaded and is
at its best when driven hard into corners.
It seems to have more grip that way. the
steering is wonderful, and the paddle
shifters allow me to have both hands
on the steering wheel. overall, I’m very
impressed; the Gt-r gives me more feed-
back and more confidence than any street
car I’ve ever driven on a racetrack.”
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03-19-2008, 01:31 PM
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‘‘Study the speed trace below and the accompanying track
map. Notice anything? Indeed, the GT-R—the heaviest car of our
trio—absolutely spanked the competition. How’d this happen?
In looking at the red trace of the GT-R, note how its acceleration
and braking are quite similar to that of the 911 Turbo and Corvette
Z06. But in grip, cornering speed and transitional agility, the GT-R
sets itself apart.
In the quick right/left/right turns of the Cotton
Corners segment, for instance, the Nissan is 3.1 mph quicker than
the 911 Turbo. And around the sweeping Riverside right-hander,
it’s 3.4 mph faster than the Vette. And, finally, in the esses,
where high-speed transitional stability is at a premium, the GT-R
weaves its way through at a 101.2-mph average, 5 mph quicker
than the Z06 and a whopping 8 mph faster than the 911 Turbo.
Credit for this superlative effort goes to the GT-R’s sticky tires
and advanced ATTESA awd system, which help the car seeming-
ly defy physics.
Tell that to Nissan test engineer Bruce Robinson,
however, and he’ll disagree, stating, “We don’t defy physics with
the GT-R, we just apply it properly.”—Andrew Bornhop
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...ct_OnTrack.pdf
map. Notice anything? Indeed, the GT-R—the heaviest car of our
trio—absolutely spanked the competition. How’d this happen?
In looking at the red trace of the GT-R, note how its acceleration
and braking are quite similar to that of the 911 Turbo and Corvette
Z06. But in grip, cornering speed and transitional agility, the GT-R
sets itself apart.
In the quick right/left/right turns of the Cotton
Corners segment, for instance, the Nissan is 3.1 mph quicker than
the 911 Turbo. And around the sweeping Riverside right-hander,
it’s 3.4 mph faster than the Vette. And, finally, in the esses,
where high-speed transitional stability is at a premium, the GT-R
weaves its way through at a 101.2-mph average, 5 mph quicker
than the Z06 and a whopping 8 mph faster than the 911 Turbo.
Credit for this superlative effort goes to the GT-R’s sticky tires
and advanced ATTESA awd system, which help the car seeming-
ly defy physics.
Tell that to Nissan test engineer Bruce Robinson,
however, and he’ll disagree, stating, “We don’t defy physics with
the GT-R, we just apply it properly.”—Andrew Bornhop
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...ct_OnTrack.pdf
03-19-2008, 01:36 PM
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Lap Times aT BuTTon WiLLow’s 2.73-miLe road course (config. no. 13)
Nissan GT-R:
Lap time: 1:56.9
84.0 mph avG.
Porsche 911 Turbo:
Lap time: 2:02.1
80.4 mph avG.
Chevrolet Corvette Z06:
Lap time: 2:02.2
80.3 mph avG.
Nissan GT-R:
Lap time: 1:56.9
84.0 mph avG.
Porsche 911 Turbo:
Lap time: 2:02.1
80.4 mph avG.
Chevrolet Corvette Z06:
Lap time: 2:02.2
80.3 mph avG.
03-19-2008, 01:45 PM
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I read that report a couple of weeks back and it makes Nissan look pretty good....
Or course the the reports I have read about the Z06 look pretty good.
But, come on........would you really consider a Nissan over a Porsche???
Not me, but I was considering one for the little woman. I showed her pictures and she did not like it!
You know you could probably drive the Nissan pretty much maintenance free for many years, but it is just not as much fun as a Porsche (IMHO).
Or course the the reports I have read about the Z06 look pretty good.
But, come on........would you really consider a Nissan over a Porsche???
Not me, but I was considering one for the little woman. I showed her pictures and she did not like it!
You know you could probably drive the Nissan pretty much maintenance free for many years, but it is just not as much fun as a Porsche (IMHO).
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03-20-2008, 12:10 AM
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are we talking about a regular usa customer gtr or is it a factory ringer with crazy boost levels and race suspension/tire? i just cant believe how this car out performs its competitors when its so much heavier and has less power
03-20-2008, 02:41 AM
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But, come on........would you really consider a Nissan over a Porsche???
Not me, but I was considering one for the little woman. I showed her pictures and she did not like it!
You know you could probably drive the Nissan pretty much maintenance free for many years, but it is just not as much fun as a Porsche (IMHO).
Not me, but I was considering one for the little woman. I showed her pictures and she did not like it!
You know you could probably drive the Nissan pretty much maintenance free for many years, but it is just not as much fun as a Porsche (IMHO).
), it is only fair to give it a test drive before passing judgement, or at least a report from someone who you trust, and who has consistantly come to the same subjective conclusions as yourself on other cars.Let's wait at least until the real US spec ones start to show up at your local tracks, in the hands of some competant drivers, and see how they do there.
The biggest point that I will pass judgement on is the weight of the car. I know what it feels like to drive a 2,000 lb car (Elise/Exige) and a 3,000 lb car (Cayman S/997/997 GT3/Subie STi). And although I really like the 3,000 lb cars mentioned, none of them, besides the GT3, compare to the Elise and Exige; and even the GT3 cannot hide its weight. My Elise actually weighed 1,920 lbs, which is almost exactly half of what the GTR weighs. Whatever the GTR is doing to produce those kinds of numbers tells me that there is probably a whole lot of electronic intervention going on. The type that is able to take that car and extract the absolute best out of it as long as it is in the hands of a decent driver. And if this is true, then the car is doing the driving and has taken away exactly what most of use want from a true sports/track car. It may very well be like getting a roller coaster ride or a ride in a F-16. It'll knock your socks off, but you really are not involved in making it happen.
This is my theory, and is not based on any personal experience with this car; I will reserve final judgement for when I get to slip behind the wheel, which I doubt will happen any time soon. I am very intrigued by this car and certainly will not write it off.
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Have you driven the new GTR? I know where you are coming from, and if your assumptions are correct, then I agree with you. But looks aside (I certainly can't argue that you are wrong about that ), it is only fair to give it a test drive before passing judgement, or at least a report from someone who you trust, and who has consistantly come to the same subjective conclusions as yourself on other cars.
Let's wait at least until the real US spec ones start to show up at your local tracks, in the hands of some competant drivers, and see how they do there.
The biggest point that I will pass judgement on is the weight of the car. I know what it feels like to drive a 2,000 lb car (Elise/Exige) and a 3,000 lb car (Cayman S/997/997 GT3/Subie STi). And although I really like the 3,000 lb cars mentioned, none of them, besides the GT3, compare to the Elise and Exige; and even the GT3 cannot hide its weight. My Elise actually weighed 1,920 lbs, which is almost exactly half of what the GTR weighs. Whatever the GTR is doing to produce those kinds of numbers tells me that there is probably a whole lot of electronic intervention going on. The type that is able to take that car and extract the absolute best out of it as long as it is in the hands of a decent driver. And if this is true, then the car is doing the driving and has taken away exactly what most of use want from a true sports/track car. It may very well be like getting a roller coaster ride or a ride in a F-16. It'll knock your socks off, but you really are not involved in making it happen.
This is my theory, and is not based on any personal experience with this car; I will reserve final judgement for when I get to slip behind the wheel, which I doubt will happen any time soon. I am very intrigued by this car and certainly will not write it off.
), it is only fair to give it a test drive before passing judgement, or at least a report from someone who you trust, and who has consistantly come to the same subjective conclusions as yourself on other cars.Let's wait at least until the real US spec ones start to show up at your local tracks, in the hands of some competant drivers, and see how they do there.
The biggest point that I will pass judgement on is the weight of the car. I know what it feels like to drive a 2,000 lb car (Elise/Exige) and a 3,000 lb car (Cayman S/997/997 GT3/Subie STi). And although I really like the 3,000 lb cars mentioned, none of them, besides the GT3, compare to the Elise and Exige; and even the GT3 cannot hide its weight. My Elise actually weighed 1,920 lbs, which is almost exactly half of what the GTR weighs. Whatever the GTR is doing to produce those kinds of numbers tells me that there is probably a whole lot of electronic intervention going on. The type that is able to take that car and extract the absolute best out of it as long as it is in the hands of a decent driver. And if this is true, then the car is doing the driving and has taken away exactly what most of use want from a true sports/track car. It may very well be like getting a roller coaster ride or a ride in a F-16. It'll knock your socks off, but you really are not involved in making it happen.
This is my theory, and is not based on any personal experience with this car; I will reserve final judgement for when I get to slip behind the wheel, which I doubt will happen any time soon. I am very intrigued by this car and certainly will not write it off.
There is no question that with your experience with both owning and tracking cars, I would respect your opinion!!
I used to be a die hard 240 Z fan and drove the heck out of 2 of them back in the 70's. If they had designed a lower profile back then, I may have stayed with that car............
No, I have not been in one, and like you say, it will most likely be a while until we have the opportunity..............but it will be fun to try it out some day.
The Porsche family of owners is just a special group that appreciates not just quality cars, but quality in many things. So, let's keep our figures crossed that there is quality enough in GT-R to add one to the garage one day in the future.
03-20-2008, 09:39 AM
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The test driver is Steve Millen who is a Nissan factory driver and employee. Cannot eliminate the possibility of bias involved. His BW times in the Z06 are slower than C&D's editors' times by 1 second.
03-20-2008, 12:45 PM
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