TT Surgeon

Dave, I tried the same link, how come yours works, not mine? Am I that computer dumb?
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Coochas

Chris,

It's not obvious to me what the difference is,...I just know it works!!!!!!
There are some things in this world best left undiscovered.

Steve N.

pcar964: Wrong my friend. The CGT came with PS2's. The PSC's on the GT3 are much, much grippier!

gete3

Remember that Porsche and WR claimed a 7.40 time for the 997 Turbo (with new Cups). The definitive Sport Auto time was 7.54 (just two seconds faster than a 996 TT on street tires).

More power and more sophisticated electronics does not always equate to faster Ring times. I hope for the best with the 997 GT2, but I doubt the Sport Auto time will be more than 5 seconds faster than the 996 GT2 (7.46 with street tires).

7.41 (with the new Cup tires) would be a good result for the 997 GT2. But the 996 GT2 with the same tires and a minor power boost would also be very close to 7.41.

hammerwerfer

It is very hard, or should I say damned near impossible, to compare 'ring times achieved at different times. Even during the course of a day the track changes as certain bits are shaded and others in the sun. A damp patch here or there can make all the difference. To accurately compare times set days, weeks, months, or years apart is impossible.

Horst von Saurma may be a decent driver, but he is no Walter Rohrl. I am sure all the times claimed are legitimate, but the disparities in times can be due to a number of factors including of course the driver.

There is a reason the Porsche times are quicker han the Sport Auto times. One is Herr Rohrl, and the other is that they can go for a time under ideal conditions, whereas Sport Auto may be under time constraints.

gete3

The Sport Auto times are widely recognized as the only credible comparison of Ring times with the least amount of variables. Manufacturers claims are always optimistic.

iLLM3

996 GT2 on street tires did it in 7:42 already

http://www.motortrend.com/features/c...ck/index1.html

997 GT2 will not dissapoint, with proper tires and weather the car will be mindblowing there, technology suspension/engine wise with the VTG's are far greater out of the box!

fayence

Yes, I have both cars and tracked both, and the GT3RS with the PSC is extremely sticky as compared to the GT. It's really too bad I can't get an alternate set of tires on the GT.

gete3

The Sport Auto times are widely recognized as the only credible comparison of Ring times with the least amount of variables. Faster times may be posssible, but for true COMPARISON, only Sport Auto times are relevant.

hammerwerfer

I find it hard to believe that Porsche and Herr Rohrl would cheat. What have they got to gain by posting a false time? A casual observer with a stopwatch, and there can be a few about, could call their bluff.

hammerwerfer

Apparently the car is absolutely fantastic on slicks.

eclou

I too wonder about this sentiment. Everyone says that for comparison SA is the only way to go b/c they use the same driver. Frankly, that only tells me how good Horst is (not saying Horst isn't a much better driver than any of us would dream of being), not the ultimate capabilities of the car. All the performance figures of the car are using driving situations which very few of us will ever encounter. I cannot recall the last time I took a clutch dropping 0-200kpn sprint, or nailed the brakes to ABS threshold from 100mph, or spun the highest lateral G's possible in a mall parking lot. If a Porsche factory driver got the TT around in 7:40 (which is believable to me) then it is a point of reference that cannot be invalidated any more than Porsche's other test figures.

gete3

If you want to know the absolute ultimate performance of any car, you will need the best driver in the world to wring its neck. WR is very fast, but someone will be faster.

I am not so concerned about who is the fastest driver of non-race cars. Comparisons between sports cars is more interesting to me.

If you want the best comparison between cars, the Sport Auto tests have the least variables - including the same independent driver who has tested every major sports car at the Ring for many years.

allegretto

Non-official word from someone who knows and will remain nameless due to "considerations";


7:31 for WR in GT-2

Coochas

You can forget about the considerations,....OK, it was me driving.