Report on new GT3 tyre in rain?
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NT 01's. Discount Tire carries them. They are apparently the R888's in disguise, the successor of the venerable RA1.
Lap times on the vette and bmw forums are showing that they split the difference in lap times b/t the PSCs and Hoosierdaddies. Some club racers in BMW CCA achieved lap records on various tracks running them. They come in the same sizing as RA1s, meaning they are perfect in 18" sizing.
Go figure. I always attributed Nitto to the drifterz crowd. But apparently Nitto is owned by or related to Toyo.
Lap times on the vette and bmw forums are showing that they split the difference in lap times b/t the PSCs and Hoosierdaddies. Some club racers in BMW CCA achieved lap records on various tracks running them. They come in the same sizing as RA1s, meaning they are perfect in 18" sizing.
Go figure. I always attributed Nitto to the drifterz crowd. But apparently Nitto is owned by or related to Toyo.
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It's hot in TX. But tracking year around, there are invariably cold days. The Nittos are pretty new, but from what I've read coming from die hard toyo fans in the bmw crowd, the nittos are a bit faster than the toyos but of course slower than the hoosiers.
But hey, they are all consumables so its no big deal to experiment.
Some also simply prefer the feel of the toyos (check Seth Thomas posts), but that may have something to do with the fact that he's been racing toyos on bmws in speedvision world challenge. Also the PSCs don't seem quite as tolerant of heat cycles as toyos.
But hey, they are all consumables so its no big deal to experiment.
Some also simply prefer the feel of the toyos (check Seth Thomas posts), but that may have something to do with the fact that he's been racing toyos on bmws in speedvision world challenge. Also the PSCs don't seem quite as tolerant of heat cycles as toyos.
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Originally Posted by navigator
How are the OEM PZero Corsas in the rain? Would it be better to switch those to something more streetable?
I've never been a fan of Pirelli tires, but thought these were impressive.
Only reason I went with the PS2s was getting more life out of a set of tires.
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Originally Posted by watt
the car rox. i am quite impressed
just take it easy when they're cold and way easy in standing water
time for LW flywheel... etc
just take it easy when they're cold and way easy in standing water
time for LW flywheel... etc
I knew you would like it!
As for the LWFW, rumor has it you have to change some engine management programming as well!
Do you really want to do that?
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Originally Posted by Colm
Congrats!
I knew you would like it!
As for the LWFW, rumor has it you have to change some engine management programming as well!
Do you really want to do that?
I knew you would like it!
As for the LWFW, rumor has it you have to change some engine management programming as well!
Do you really want to do that?
it's about time they made a car for the original target customer!
my mech has it all handled and grussell has had no issues, he's already done the FW and the champion RS98 wheels [32# saved]
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Originally Posted by watt
the car rox. i am quite impressed
Any ride jiggle buggin you? You driving it in PASM Sport or Normal most of the time?
Very curious to hear your feedback...
Congrats on the purchase. It IS a great 911...
pete
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Originally Posted by excmag
Any ride jiggle buggin you? You driving it in PASM Sport or Normal most of the time?
Very curious to hear your feedback...
Congrats on the purchase. It IS a great 911...
pete
Very curious to hear your feedback...
Congrats on the purchase. It IS a great 911...
pete
#26
When talking to friends about tyre choices, I always take the trouble to find out if they are prepared to invest in three sets of rims for street driving.
1 Winter Set
1 Shoulder Set - Spring and Autumn (Fall for the geographically challenged)
1 Summer Set
The reasons are very practical and also cost effective, despite the initial investment.
1. The two sets of tyres that are not on the car do not deteriorate whilst not being driven, if properly stored and are only not used for a few months.
2. There are far fewer compromises made when selecting tyres (tires FTGC) in the first place.
3. Having three sets of rims is preferable to having tyres removed and refitted all the time. It saves fitting costs and also reduces the risk of damage to the tyre. These low profile tyres can take a lot of grunt to get on and off the rim, not good for the tyre.
Winter Tyre Considerations
Decide on the temperature range they will be driven in. The bulk of people will find a tyre that is designed for -15°C to +15°C (5°F to 59°F, that's 27 degrees either side of freezing), is adequate. The Scandinavian specials whilst vital in places like Wisconsin are not so suitable for Maryland, for example, as they will do most of there milage at temperatures above which they are designed to operate.
Decide what is the slowest maximum speed you can stand driving at whilst the winter tyres are on the car. Basically the lower the speed rating, the more sipes the tyre has, sipes and other features help the tyre grip in snowy and slippery conditions (when the temperatures really drop, grip improves somewhat), unfortunately speed is the enemy of sipes, they get burnt off at speed. To generalise, the lower the tyre's speed rating, the better it will be in extreme winter conditions.
If having a dedicated winter set of rims and tyres, you can take the opportunity to fit narrower rims and higher profile tyres, better suited to Winter driving conditions.
Shoulder Season Tyres
Anybody who has driven at the change of seasons knows how fallen leaves, torrential downpours, cold snap temperatures and unseasonal frosts can adversely effect driving conditions.
It is at these times that tyres such as Continental's ContiSportContact 3 come into their own. There are a number of good alternatives including the Michelin Pilot Sport, the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS variants, Pirelli's new P Zero (not Rosso or Nero) and Yokohama's AVS Sport spring to mind. These tyres are the workhorse every day tyre.
Summer Tyre
For good summer conditions and having fun, its hard to look past tyres like the MPSCs, the Pirelli Corsas and other specialist tyres such as the Advans. Do not expect these tyres to perform well when temperatures drop, road surfaces become difficult and rain is heavy. They are a tyre for 'high days and holidays'.
There is a big caveat in all of this - not all tyres from the same manufacturer and carrying the same product label are the same, different factories can turn out radically different tyres. Given the choice, pick the tyres made in the factory that supplies Germany.
Experience shows that you can get great discounts on extra rims and tyres by ordering them at time of initial purchase.
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1 Winter Set
1 Shoulder Set - Spring and Autumn (Fall for the geographically challenged)
1 Summer Set
The reasons are very practical and also cost effective, despite the initial investment.
1. The two sets of tyres that are not on the car do not deteriorate whilst not being driven, if properly stored and are only not used for a few months.
2. There are far fewer compromises made when selecting tyres (tires FTGC) in the first place.
3. Having three sets of rims is preferable to having tyres removed and refitted all the time. It saves fitting costs and also reduces the risk of damage to the tyre. These low profile tyres can take a lot of grunt to get on and off the rim, not good for the tyre.
Winter Tyre Considerations
Decide on the temperature range they will be driven in. The bulk of people will find a tyre that is designed for -15°C to +15°C (5°F to 59°F, that's 27 degrees either side of freezing), is adequate. The Scandinavian specials whilst vital in places like Wisconsin are not so suitable for Maryland, for example, as they will do most of there milage at temperatures above which they are designed to operate.
Decide what is the slowest maximum speed you can stand driving at whilst the winter tyres are on the car. Basically the lower the speed rating, the more sipes the tyre has, sipes and other features help the tyre grip in snowy and slippery conditions (when the temperatures really drop, grip improves somewhat), unfortunately speed is the enemy of sipes, they get burnt off at speed. To generalise, the lower the tyre's speed rating, the better it will be in extreme winter conditions.
If having a dedicated winter set of rims and tyres, you can take the opportunity to fit narrower rims and higher profile tyres, better suited to Winter driving conditions.
Shoulder Season Tyres
Anybody who has driven at the change of seasons knows how fallen leaves, torrential downpours, cold snap temperatures and unseasonal frosts can adversely effect driving conditions.
It is at these times that tyres such as Continental's ContiSportContact 3 come into their own. There are a number of good alternatives including the Michelin Pilot Sport, the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS variants, Pirelli's new P Zero (not Rosso or Nero) and Yokohama's AVS Sport spring to mind. These tyres are the workhorse every day tyre.
Summer Tyre
For good summer conditions and having fun, its hard to look past tyres like the MPSCs, the Pirelli Corsas and other specialist tyres such as the Advans. Do not expect these tyres to perform well when temperatures drop, road surfaces become difficult and rain is heavy. They are a tyre for 'high days and holidays'.
There is a big caveat in all of this - not all tyres from the same manufacturer and carrying the same product label are the same, different factories can turn out radically different tyres. Given the choice, pick the tyres made in the factory that supplies Germany.
Experience shows that you can get great discounts on extra rims and tyres by ordering them at time of initial purchase.
R+C
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Originally Posted by Nordschleife
There is a big caveat in all of this - not all tyres from the same manufacturer and carrying the same product label are the same, different factories can turn out radically different tyres. Given the choice, pick the tyres made in the factory that supplies Germany.
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#28
Originally Posted by Mad Manx
Surely 'N' Spec tyres are the only recommended choice for contemporary Porsches?
Why????? PAG is as cost driven as anybody else. PCNA is particularly cost driven. The price PAG pays for tyres and the price the customer pays for replacements bear little relationship to each other.
PAG has ongoing relationships with tyre suppliers, these may mean that the best tyre for your car is not actually supplied with N branded on the side. Its very instructive to look and see what tyres the fast Porsches at the Tuners GP havwe on them.
Much of the time PAG deliberately selects a 'progressive' tyre. These suit the bulk of PAG's customer base in as much as they start feeling like they are going to / have broken away a long time before they actually do. Experienced drivers prefer tyres with rather different characteristics, less progressive but more ultimate grip.
I admit to being provided with tyres by several manufacturers, some of them I praise and some I slag off.
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Robin Watt lives in Malibu-he has two seasons
1.winter where temps are from 65 to highs of 68 and
2. summer where temps can get up to 70 from lows of 66.
Oh and a occasional rain drizzle
1.winter where temps are from 65 to highs of 68 and
2. summer where temps can get up to 70 from lows of 66.
Oh and a occasional rain drizzle