View Poll Results: Did you order PCCBs on your GT3/RS?
Yes
82
56.94%
No
50
34.72%
Undecided
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8.33%
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PCCBs. Not a rehash.
01-02-2007, 05:11 PM
#61
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Originally Posted by BobbyC
PCCBs are the future and any car without them would likely be of lesser value. 
(assuming cars are close in miles, etc.)
-- After the initial buyer, even a factory aero kit ($8K) or special paint ($3K) or Aluminum, Wood, Carbon Fiber packages at $5k-$6k, etc. holds little to no value on the open market.
- If Pcar history has shown one thing over and over. The owners who experience the greatest depreciation on their vehicles are the ones who add on a lot of factory options.
Now on the reverse side of that coin, you can't really put a price on owner enjoyment. So spend on the car whatever it takes to make the car feel perfect. There is nothing worse than spending $100k plus and feeling like you haven't gotten everything you want.
The GT3 is a speciality car but there is no reason to assume that the same "norm" will not be true.
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01-02-2007, 07:00 PM
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I think B-line makes some interesting points but my opinion is that the reason PCCB's don't seem to add much cost to current used car values is the fear of future maintenance costs on the Gen I version. I'm thinking the Gen II's will prove to be more robust and then they will be a sort after option. Especially, on a GT3. Anyway, that is my rationale for including them in my order.
01-02-2007, 07:30 PM
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Not sure on what the resale market will bear wrt PCCBs. Most options will not bring rain historically in resale. There are exceptions though, like aerokits.
I'm am concerned about resale, but not so much so that I'm willing to skimp on an option that I'm smitten with, like full leather for example.
I have a disorder. I know the first time I hear a squeak, percieve brake fade, or see cracks on my steel rotors, I'll be searching for pccb retrofit options. So the heck with it, I'm writing a check for 9k more come delivery time. Guess I'll have to work a few extra weekends and pick up a part time job to pay for them.
I'm am concerned about resale, but not so much so that I'm willing to skimp on an option that I'm smitten with, like full leather for example.
I have a disorder. I know the first time I hear a squeak, percieve brake fade, or see cracks on my steel rotors, I'll be searching for pccb retrofit options. So the heck with it, I'm writing a check for 9k more come delivery time. Guess I'll have to work a few extra weekends and pick up a part time job to pay for them.
01-02-2007, 07:41 PM
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I think B-line is right on the money. When you're looking at a pre-owned car, the options are what they are. Maybe you wanted them, maybe you didn't, but they rarely affect demand to the point of price elasticity.
It seems the only options that buck that truism are transmission and color. For whatever reason, we can justify the other stuff but good God I'd never consider an automatic and some colors out there!
It seems the only options that buck that truism are transmission and color. For whatever reason, we can justify the other stuff but good God I'd never consider an automatic and some colors out there!
01-02-2007, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by B-Line
Bobby, I think you will find that most used Pcars sell for very closely related prices. meaning a used 996Turbo, 993Turbo, GT3, CarreraS, etc. with $20k "factory" add-on's will sell for the nearly the same price as one that is mostly stock. Of course the car with the $20k upgrades might sell "quicker" but usually not for much "more".
(assuming cars are close in miles, etc.)
-- After the initial buyer, even a factory aero kit ($8K) or special paint ($3K) or Aluminum, Wood, Carbon Fiber packages at $5k-$6k, etc. holds little to no value on the open market.
- If Pcar history has shown one thing over and over. The owners who experience the greatest depreciation on their vehicles are the ones who add on a lot of factory options.
Now on the reverse side of that coin, you can't really put a price on owner enjoyment. So spend on the car whatever it takes to make the car feel perfect. There is nothing worse than spending $100k plus and feeling like you haven't gotten everything you want.
The GT3 is a speciality car but there is no reason to assume that the same "norm" will not be true.
B
(assuming cars are close in miles, etc.)
-- After the initial buyer, even a factory aero kit ($8K) or special paint ($3K) or Aluminum, Wood, Carbon Fiber packages at $5k-$6k, etc. holds little to no value on the open market.
- If Pcar history has shown one thing over and over. The owners who experience the greatest depreciation on their vehicles are the ones who add on a lot of factory options.
Now on the reverse side of that coin, you can't really put a price on owner enjoyment. So spend on the car whatever it takes to make the car feel perfect. There is nothing worse than spending $100k plus and feeling like you haven't gotten everything you want.
The GT3 is a speciality car but there is no reason to assume that the same "norm" will not be true.
B
01-02-2007, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by B-Line
Maybe I shouldn't be posting here as I do not have a GT3 or an RS, but this question has come up very often on the Turbo board.
I was on the fence about the PCCB's as I track a lot also. Since I did not order my car, I did not get to make the decision anyhow. But here are my thoughts.
GO STEEL and forget about the PCCB's.
1) The PCCB's may cost under $9k but the replacement is something like $20k if you need front and rear.
2) If you are using your car competitively and need every extra inch of performance, I can understand the cost. But if the car is just running circles at a DE you will probably not notice the difference and who wants to pay $10k for a front brake job.
3) Porsche brakes (pccb or not) have always been fantastic. The slight benefit that comes from having PCCB's does not equal the cost of owning them. Again, if the car is being raced and you need that edge, I understand it. But for a dual purpose street/DE car, save that money and use it to pay the taxes on the cost of the car.
Either way, there is no mistake here. If your not going to miss the $9k to buy them and the $10k repairs go for it. But considering the big reds are free and a rotor and pad job costs less than 1/5 the price, I don't see the value.
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I was on the fence about the PCCB's as I track a lot also. Since I did not order my car, I did not get to make the decision anyhow. But here are my thoughts.
GO STEEL and forget about the PCCB's.
1) The PCCB's may cost under $9k but the replacement is something like $20k if you need front and rear.
2) If you are using your car competitively and need every extra inch of performance, I can understand the cost. But if the car is just running circles at a DE you will probably not notice the difference and who wants to pay $10k for a front brake job.
3) Porsche brakes (pccb or not) have always been fantastic. The slight benefit that comes from having PCCB's does not equal the cost of owning them. Again, if the car is being raced and you need that edge, I understand it. But for a dual purpose street/DE car, save that money and use it to pay the taxes on the cost of the car.
Either way, there is no mistake here. If your not going to miss the $9k to buy them and the $10k repairs go for it. But considering the big reds are free and a rotor and pad job costs less than 1/5 the price, I don't see the value.
B
Go with the PCCB's. Initially 9k is not BIG relative to the total cost of the car. if for some reason you toast them or don't like them then replace with steels...you don't have to go the 20k route of replacing with PCCBs again.
But with less UNSPRUNG weight (~ 37 lbs less) you WILL notice not just the enhanced braking but also the better handling. When guys are looking at every nook and cranny where they could lighten the car, this feature is perhaps the single most effective way to do it...with improved braking and performance.
As to durability, ask the folks at PDE (perhap MJones can chime in here) who run their cars on Gen II's day in and day out and trust me the pros out there give 'em the full treatment. IMO the failure of a few Gen I's caused a panic fire on these forums...
01-03-2007, 11:07 AM
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Certain options gradually become 'must haves', and PCCBs (particularly on the GT3) may well achieve that status. Certainly Porsche believe so.
At the moment approx 60% of GT3 customers are specifying PCCBs. So long as the latest generation PCCBs live up to expectations (stopping performance, consistency, long life, corrosion resistance, low noise, low dust, weight saving benefits, etc), then they are likely to become increasingly popular.
Like those buying new, a similar proportion of used buyers are likely to want a PCCB equipped GT3. So, providing the PCCBs are in good condition, these cars may well retain some of the value of this option.
At the moment approx 60% of GT3 customers are specifying PCCBs. So long as the latest generation PCCBs live up to expectations (stopping performance, consistency, long life, corrosion resistance, low noise, low dust, weight saving benefits, etc), then they are likely to become increasingly popular.
Like those buying new, a similar proportion of used buyers are likely to want a PCCB equipped GT3. So, providing the PCCBs are in good condition, these cars may well retain some of the value of this option.
01-03-2007, 02:20 PM
#68
Burning Brakes
Swap out the stock steel pads to RS19's...and you equal the PCCB bite.
The value equation is far more balanced than some like to assert/hyperbolise...
Love to see the Nordschiefe difference...I'd postulate <1s/lap
The value equation is far more balanced than some like to assert/hyperbolise...
Love to see the Nordschiefe difference...I'd postulate <1s/lap
01-03-2007, 03:25 PM
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IMHO the teething problems of PCCB have seemingly been resolved. I'm getting them, if they work great if not Brembo's GTR package is my choice...
