View Poll Results: Did you order PCCBs on your GT3/RS?
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82
56.94%
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50
34.72%
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12
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PCCBs. Not a rehash.
12-06-2006, 11:06 AM
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NJ-GT, you just scared me out of getting the PCCBs on my GT3RS. I do 20+ track days a year. On my 04 GT3 I was initially cracking the front rotors after 4-6 track days. I have recently had the rotors treated at Froz Rotors and the last set gave me 12+ days. If I will actually have to replace the front PCCBs each year, that is a big number compared to perhaps 2 front sets of iron rotors. I was under the impression that the PCCBs would last much longer than 24 track days. Any other comments regarding the expected track life of the PCCBs?
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12-06-2006, 11:56 AM
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Decided against - despite having been impressed with Gen II at the Master's PDE.
Non trivial decision tree though.
Boiled it down to: Unsprung weight vs fragility (off track excursions particularly)
Whilst i appreciate new technologies involve trade-offs....this one failed to get me over the value hurdle
Non trivial decision tree though.
Boiled it down to: Unsprung weight vs fragility (off track excursions particularly)
Whilst i appreciate new technologies involve trade-offs....this one failed to get me over the value hurdle
12-06-2006, 01:06 PM
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In making a judgment on the expected life of PCCB rotors...including track use...one should consider that:
- PCCBs are still an emerging technology. Gen II are a big, big improvement over Gen I. And Gen III (if that's what goes on the 997 GT3RS) is likely an improvement on Gen II.
- My experience with Gen II is that they have surpassed my original expectations of both durability and performance. I think they're gonna last longer than some estimates.
- Durability on the GT3 (RS) should be greater than on the 996TTS which is a heavier car.
- Durability of the PCCBs also is dependent on how they are used. Use a high quality brake fluid like SRF, do proper cool down laps, avoid invoking ABS...and one prolongs the wear & tear on these rotors.
- Finally, the initial cost is only $8,840. If they do get toasted sooner than one expects...then one can always swicth to steels.
For my money...and driving joy...I wouldn't go with steels. The RS IS a unique car. Maxmize the joy!
- PCCBs are still an emerging technology. Gen II are a big, big improvement over Gen I. And Gen III (if that's what goes on the 997 GT3RS) is likely an improvement on Gen II.
- My experience with Gen II is that they have surpassed my original expectations of both durability and performance. I think they're gonna last longer than some estimates.
- Durability on the GT3 (RS) should be greater than on the 996TTS which is a heavier car.
- Durability of the PCCBs also is dependent on how they are used. Use a high quality brake fluid like SRF, do proper cool down laps, avoid invoking ABS...and one prolongs the wear & tear on these rotors.
- Finally, the initial cost is only $8,840. If they do get toasted sooner than one expects...then one can always swicth to steels.
For my money...and driving joy...I wouldn't go with steels. The RS IS a unique car. Maxmize the joy!
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12-06-2006, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BobbyC
- Finally, the initial cost is only $8,8840. If they do get toasted sooner than one expects...then one can always swicth to steels.
12-06-2006, 04:06 PM
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LOL. Didn't mean to mess with your head. I did the poll only b/c I wanted to see real numbers. Lots of people schit on PCCBs and some sing their praises but voting with your wallet is more telling. . .
12-06-2006, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe S.
If you switch to steel rotors, does this require switching calipers as well or are they interchangable?
NJ-GT should have some insight on this...
12-06-2006, 04:34 PM
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My dealer quoted me more than the option price of the ceramics to convert them back to steel in the future, so I wonder if Porsche have made this harder to change on the new GT3?
He also talked me out of getting PCCB! Said not to expect more than 20 hours hard track driving from the front rotors, and that in a 3-day track test comparing steels with PCCB on the new Turbo, the drivers from Porsche concluded that the ceramics brought no apparent benefit.
He also talked me out of getting PCCB! Said not to expect more than 20 hours hard track driving from the front rotors, and that in a 3-day track test comparing steels with PCCB on the new Turbo, the drivers from Porsche concluded that the ceramics brought no apparent benefit.
12-06-2006, 05:24 PM
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I find it interesting that according to the most recent press materials issued by PAG with respect to various versions of the GT3 (i) the Supercup cars come standard with PCCB but (ii) the cup cars for both the Carrera Cup and the IMSA GT3 Cup cars come with the steel brakes. Also, the RSR will come with steel brakes. Still on the fence.
12-06-2006, 06:37 PM
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Guys, keep in mind that "track days" for most on this forum ARE different from the stresses that Pro Racers put on the brakes when on the circuit. Two very different animals. Under those conditions rotors are truly "wear" items.
As for a salesman's opinion...you're likely to get truthful and better advice from a fellow enthusiast on this board.
As for a salesman's opinion...you're likely to get truthful and better advice from a fellow enthusiast on this board.
12-06-2006, 06:46 PM
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So I called CDOC this afternoon. They will produce a replacement steel rotor if the ceramics have issues just like their 996 GT3 steel conversion rotors.
http://www.cdoc.com/detail.asp?id=12480&name=
I think NJ-GT uses a cheaper source?
However, the fella I spoke with thought they wouldn't have to b/c the new rotors are so good from what they've seen, there will be no demand for steels.
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Oh, look at that. Steel is gainin'
http://www.cdoc.com/detail.asp?id=12480&name=
I think NJ-GT uses a cheaper source?
However, the fella I spoke with thought they wouldn't have to b/c the new rotors are so good from what they've seen, there will be no demand for steels.
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Oh, look at that. Steel is gainin'
12-06-2006, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BobbyC
For my money...and driving joy...I wouldn't go with steels. The RS IS a unique car. Maxmize the joy!
) and have the nipple painted orange...(gotta have xenons to see at night; blind as a bat.)
