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Not sure if anyone has posted them before, sorry if it is a repost, but EVO magazine states that Walter Rohrl posted a 7:45 with the 997GT3 and a 7:42 with the 997GT3RS on a damp Ring.

MJSpeed

Keyword there is "damp..."

RR

still not bad.
I think the 7:42 matches the 996GT2's time.
Rohrl thinks 7:39 is possible with the RS. He only had a tiny window to run the ring this fall.

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TT Surgeon

What did the 997TT do the 'ring in, can't remember?

Z06

How is the RS 3 seconds faster?

MJSpeed

lighter...sum of parts...

eclou

997 GT3 - 7:39 (mfr)
997 TT - 7:40 (Motortrend, on MPSC)
997 GT3RS - 7:42 (mfr)
C6Z06 - 7:42.9 (Sporbilen)
996 GT3RS - 7:43 (Walter)

http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=0&tID=10073

frayed

Looks like to me they are all about the same with driver being the difference, and the TT is surely easier to drive fast w/ all the tq and AWD.

In the real world, with reasonably skilled driver I'm betting we'll see the TTs routinely faster on the track than GTs and RSs.

TT Surgeon

Agree with Jeff.
How about a TT for you Jeff?

frayed

Naw. It's not about the laptimes (within reason) it's about the experience. GT3 variants offer a more intense experience than TTs. They talk to you more and I think more fun to drive.

None of us here are buying these cars to become pro racers; they are hobby/enthusiast cars for those afflicted.

MJSpeed

TT's are too close to a video game type experience, IMHO...soon enough they (the cars) will "learn" the track and the driver will only have to push a button, hang on to the steering wheel and they'll acheive the best possible lap time!!

NJ-GT

Porsche has not produced official Ring times for the 997 GT3 and GT3 RS yet. The 7:39 for the regular 997 GT3 on that website was not a test, it was a comment, same thing with the 7:42 for the RS.

SportAuto ran the 997 GT3 at the Ring 4 months ago, and they got a 7:48 (actual test, not a guess). The results are published here in rennlist.

I would expect Walter Rohl to be capable of running a 7:43-7:44 with the regular 997 GT3, and a 7:39-7:40 with the 997 GT3 RS. These times are pretty impressive. The fastest time for a 996 GT3 with similar r-comp tires (Pirelli Corsa System) by Lucas Luhr (Porsche Factory driver) was a 7:49. Rohl is a faster driver at the Ring than Luhr, and Luhr has to be much faster than Von Saurma from Sport Auto. I guess Rohl could drop another second from Lucas Luhr time for the 996 GT3 on r-comps.

The C6 Z06 7:42.9 time is a marketing bluff from GM. At this point most of the people know about the tested Z06 not being stock.

The 996 GT3 RS 7:43 time is what can be compared with the possible times to be posted by Rohl from the 997 GT3 and 997 GT3 RS. The new RS beating the old RS by 3 secs at the Ring, makes the new car 0.4 secs faster per 60 secs lap, if the difference at the Ring is 4 secs, it will be around 0.5 secs faster per 60 secs lap. Not bad.

Examples of 60 secs laps: Pocono Racetrack North Course, Lime Rock Park.

I ran a 60.9 at Pocono Racetrack North Course with MPSC on my stock car, a 60.3 with MPSC, lighter seats, LWFW, lighweight wheels. I also ran a 59.6 on Moton CS and Toyo RA-1 on a wet (damp) track.

NOBLEGT3

wider track, more downforce

NJ-GT

...and a stiffer frame due to the rollbar, lighter weight, lower center of gravity, longer wheelbase, LWFW,...

frayed

3-4 seconds on a track as varying and long as the ring is not a whole lot. The real attraction of the RS is its exclusivity IMO.