JS

Anyone here also own a 991 GT3 Touring?
Would be interested in thoughts on the car.
They seem to be highly sought after.

-eztrader-

Drove one for 7k miles or so. Sold it. Hated the clutch. Worst clutch ever in a pcar IMO.

I kept my 2011 RS - no comparison, I much prefer that one.

JS

Can you elaborate on why you hated the clutch so much?

-eztrader-

It was very soft / spongy / uncertain. Felt more like a Honda then a race derived GT car.

To me - The 997 clutches are perfect. Consistently grabs the same way every time.

650kid

The clutch in a 991 feels the same as my F80 M3 that I daily. There's just no true feel to it and it's way too easy.

EMpunker

It's because it's secretly a PDK car with a fake pedal and stick shift...

RapidGT

Rumor is the clutch on the 992 GT3 is even lighter than the 991.2 GT3. From my experience, lighter clutches generally have less feel than heavier ones, but they make them lighter to make the car more usable.

WP0ZZZ

From your comments, I understand that the 991 GT3 clutch is easy to use. Does it work well when driving very hard on a mountain road or track?

atlrvr

Have a Touring + 997 GT2, so can't compare to 997 GT3 or RS, but can speak to clutch difference, and it's pretty extreme.
While touring clutch is much lighter, the actual shift action feels more gated.
I probably prefer the heavier clutch pedal in the 997, and they are so different that when I drive them back to back, it's actually difficult for me to recalibrate (i,e, occasionally will stall)
Neither are difficult to drive at speed.
Rear wheel steering on 991 GT3 shrinks the car enough. On really tight mountain roads, you get the sense the car might be a bit bigger compared to the 997, but really can drive the same line.
The touring has a broader range of practicality for me, better buckets, better PCM, front axel lift primary advantages to make it more "friendly" for both daily duty and road trips.
Pure driving, the GT2 is more enjoyable in all aspects (except sound) on tight mountain roads where you're constantly between 2-3rd gear just because of the wider torque band and car feeling a bit smaller.
In faster sweepers, mostly keeping it between 3rd and 4th and above 5k RPM, the touring is more enjoyable because its frantic but composed.
If I was forced to keep one, it would probably be the Touring.

Gesler

I have a 997.2 GT3RS and a 991.2 GT3. If you don’t subscribe to the “harder the clutch the better it is” concept, the 991.2 GT3 MT is very good. Only the 981 GT4 is better IMO. The pedal travel could be slightly shorter but it is perfect for street and track, and very easy to rev match. The shifter feels gated with short throws. The engine is not as rev happy as the 997.2 (but the sound!) but is very easy to rev match or double clutch if you wish to.

The RS actually is more similar to an e90 M3, with a notchy shifter with long throws, except the clutch is orders of magnitude harder to depress and the shifter is notchier. It gets progressively harder as you step on it, unlike in the 981 GT4 where it is uniform throughout.

The 997.2 RS feels very different on track though, everything gets tighter and feels smaller at speed, and the transmission becomes/feels easier.

point2point

How would you compare the free revving feel from the single mass flywheel in the 997.2 RS with the experience in the Touring with its dual mass flywheel?

alamimi

First post on rennlist. I’ve been a reader for quite some time.

I own both a 997.2 gt3 clubsport and a gt3 touring. The 997 has much more character on low speeds and is the choice for me to drive when I’m really in the mood for one and the clutch is easier to modulate than the touring due to the latter being light. I like the rawness of the whole package compared to the touring and the proportions too. The engine has more character down low and sounds better in some instances but loses out to the newer engine on high rpms as well as smoothness in low speed situations. The steering engine and transmission combo along with the perfect proportions make it feel just the right amount of classic 911 with the best of the modern world. On the other hand, the touring seems to be the car I put the most mileage on (33k kms so far and competing with an AMG wagon for daily duties and a few others). It’s even the choice to take to track as the engine in that car is insane, along with warranty of course. It’s an easier car to get stuck in traffic with and easier to drive for long distances in. I love both cars and I think they complement each other.

gt3ftw

I had a 991.2 GT3 MT not Touring for a few months during which time I also have my 997.2 GT3 RS. I sold the 991.2 because I decided the manual driving experience associated with using its stick shift and clutch is just not special enough for me. The auto-blip makes it easy for anyone to down shift but a great pleasure of driving a manual is being forced to learn the car to do a perfectly executed downshift at speed, and the auto-blip kinda makes it meaningless. It is like having an invincible mode in Super Mario. The no-lift shift is a peculiar feature that really doesn't make much sense to me also. It goes against the basic mechanic of driving a manual car. Also, I generally find myself wanting to have a manual hand brake when I drive a manual car. For steep hill starts, I trust the manual hand brake more than the hill assist. I never got over the worry that it would fail on me randomly and I also didn't like how it made the clutch feel "sticky" not sure how to describe it but basically you have to work the clutch and throttle slightly differently to overcome the hold. Of course, all of this is my own personal opinions for why I keep my 997.2 GT3 RS and sold the 991.2 GT3 MT, and everyone has their own reasons and things they treasure when driving a manual. I did enjoy what the rest of the 991 platform has to offer enough that I later bought a 3RS with PDK and since enjoying the best of both worlds.

Jrtaylor9

I could have written your post. My views to the letter with exception of Bmw; no experience there.

Jrtaylor9

I think the 981s I owned (gt4 and Spyder) were one of the best FEELING manual transmissions I've ever owned (clearly they've had some durability issues). 981 was Goldilocks between 997 and 991 imo (closer to 991 but still in between).