high mileage 997.2 GT3 (over 80.000miles) experiences
#16
i'm creeping up on 60k miles on mine. had 22k miles or so on it when i bought it in 2015 (0 overrevs, well maintained, a rock chip or two).
did coolant lines, water pump, RMS, plugs, rotors and brake caliper studs once i got it home. still on original clutch.
switched to Girodiscs (from Porsche steel) all around when needed rotors again. recently had an O2 sensor die and replaced all 4.
have added another rock chip or two -- don't drive behind Mooty!!! RMS letting a drop or two go by from time to time, but pretty normal on these engines.
car has been quite trouble free and looking forward to hitting 100k miles at some point!
did coolant lines, water pump, RMS, plugs, rotors and brake caliper studs once i got it home. still on original clutch.
switched to Girodiscs (from Porsche steel) all around when needed rotors again. recently had an O2 sensor die and replaced all 4.
have added another rock chip or two -- don't drive behind Mooty!!! RMS letting a drop or two go by from time to time, but pretty normal on these engines.
car has been quite trouble free and looking forward to hitting 100k miles at some point!
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#17
The other issue being that when the high mileage cars finally do come to market, they are the cheapest cars listed, but that doesn't make them "cheap". If the market is 90-115k, you only have to list your 80k mile car in the high 80s to have really attractive pricing. At that point it becomes a harder call on whether you should just spend the extra money to find a car that's more fresh. I'm not really afraid of the miles, mine will turn over 30k soon... but it's not a straight forward decision on which choice is best to be most efficient with capital. I ended up choosing 20k miles over the higher mile examples that were available, but didn't see the value in spending the premium for ~10k miles collector status, since I intend to drive the wheels off my car.
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Robocop305 (09-15-2021)
#18
Additionally, these cars are so robust than even one with 80k miles feels and drives like one with 20k miles. If you are a driver, I would just buy one with higher miles to save money and not feel guilty driving it.
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The other issue being that when the high mileage cars finally do come to market, they are the cheapest cars listed, but that doesn't make them "cheap". If the market is 90-115k, you only have to list your 80k mile car in the high 80s to have really attractive pricing. At that point it becomes a harder call on whether you should just spend the extra money to find a car that's more fresh. I'm not really afraid of the miles, mine will turn over 30k soon... but it's not a straight forward decision on which choice is best to be most efficient with capital. I ended up choosing 20k miles over the higher mile examples that were available, but didn't see the value in spending the premium for ~10k miles collector status, since I intend to drive the wheels off my car.
In about 1977 I was around 19 years old, and found a 911 for sale for cheap, and went to buy it with green cash in my pockets. I think was a 1969, and not in the greatest condition. Rust in the rocker panels, and who knows what else. I really wanted to buy it. The seller sized me up, and asked how much money I made at work. It wasn't a lot, and I told him so. He suggested I go buy a 914, which I did. I could not take care of that 911 because I couldn't even correct the existing problems. No, it wasn't a 911, but between that and the BMW 2002 I owned at the same time I was having fun.
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Steve Theodore (09-28-2021)
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I’m up to 77k miles now. Car just came off of CPO warranty. I’m going to be doing a slow restoration on it. I daily drove it for 1.5 years. Removing the trashed PPF, wheel and caliper refinishing, and removing a ding from the roof. Rocker panels have a ton of road rash on them. May just leave them as is. Nice patina, and they’ll get chewed up later anyways. I’m hoping the motor holds up well past 100k miles. Doing oil changes every 3-4k miles.
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I’m up to 77k miles now. Car just came off of CPO warranty. I’m going to be doing a slow restoration on it. I daily drove it for 1.5 years. Removing the trashed PPF, wheel and caliper refinishing, and removing a ding from the roof. Rocker panels have a ton of road rash on them. May just leave them as is. Nice patina, and they’ll get chewed up later anyways. I’m hoping the motor holds up well past 100k miles. Doing oil changes every 3-4k miles.
Most useful things I did was Bill Rader went through my entire transmission and brought everything back to better than new.
what’s your plan for the calipers… I’m ready to do mine as the clear coat is coming off. I kinda just want to send them to a pro, but it seems like most guys are DYI them with the G2 kit and clear coating over new decals.
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Elliotw44 (08-19-2022)
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Love hearing about high mile gt3s. While I want to see the value continue to climb, i hate seeing them become garage pieces.
Not GT3 related but I had a 1980 911sc that had 404K miles on the original bottom end, never rebuilt. Currently it is still out there ripping on that orig motor. I went completely dip**** and overhauled the entire suspension but to my surprise, every bushing and etc was in great shape as the previous owner really kept on top of the car. Some of my BMW M friends have insanely high miles on their track cars: three e46 m3 with 180k+ original motors being driven HARD and one supercharged e92 m3 making 590whp with 155k miles. The M motors (s54 and s65 are pretty high strung so it's impressive)
Moral of the story: Maintenance > miles makes a good car.
Not GT3 related but I had a 1980 911sc that had 404K miles on the original bottom end, never rebuilt. Currently it is still out there ripping on that orig motor. I went completely dip**** and overhauled the entire suspension but to my surprise, every bushing and etc was in great shape as the previous owner really kept on top of the car. Some of my BMW M friends have insanely high miles on their track cars: three e46 m3 with 180k+ original motors being driven HARD and one supercharged e92 m3 making 590whp with 155k miles. The M motors (s54 and s65 are pretty high strung so it's impressive)
Moral of the story: Maintenance > miles makes a good car.
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#23
I'm about to cross 50k miles which is pretty exciting. I've put almost 23k miles on my GT3 in a year and 3 months.
Not long after I bought the car I had pretty much everything done that you want to do but since then its been a dream.
Ie. Pinned lines, SW elbows, 4.0 clutch and LWFW, cam gear bolt bullet proofing, oil every 5k, etc.
On my 3rd lip and have a crack in the windshield but it all gets handled in time.
Local guy to me has almost 100k miles on his 7.2 GT3. Never had a hiccup and that thing is driven very hard.
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#24
Love hearing about high mile gt3s. While I want to see the value continue to climb, i hate seeing them become garage pieces.
Not GT3 related but I had a 1980 911sc that had 404K miles on the original bottom end, never rebuilt. Currently it is still out there ripping on that orig motor. I went completely dip**** and overhauled the entire suspension but to my surprise, every bushing and etc was in great shape as the previous owner really kept on top of the car. Some of my BMW M friends have insanely high miles on their track cars: three e46 m3 with 180k+ original motors being driven HARD and one supercharged e92 m3 making 590whp with 155k miles. The M motors (s54 and s65 are pretty high strung so it's impressive)
Moral of the story: Maintenance > miles makes a good car.
Not GT3 related but I had a 1980 911sc that had 404K miles on the original bottom end, never rebuilt. Currently it is still out there ripping on that orig motor. I went completely dip**** and overhauled the entire suspension but to my surprise, every bushing and etc was in great shape as the previous owner really kept on top of the car. Some of my BMW M friends have insanely high miles on their track cars: three e46 m3 with 180k+ original motors being driven HARD and one supercharged e92 m3 making 590whp with 155k miles. The M motors (s54 and s65 are pretty high strung so it's impressive)
Moral of the story: Maintenance > miles makes a good car.
not a GT3 , but my 981 GT4 is at 42k miles and still running strong under Porsche CPO
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#26
New member from Germany here and hopefully it is OK to piggyback on this thread.
I will do a quick intro once I get a 997.2 GT3 myself finally. Maybe you could help me out with the following car i am debating on getting:
I am a little hesitant since the car in question has around 72K miles, but on the other hand I won't be thinking about keeping the miles low and drive the heck out of it.
Car has only been maintained at Porsche dealers only and has a Porsche approved warranty until the end of the year.
Accident and respray free, looks very clean in all the pics the owner sent, definitely no track use in the last 50k miles (haven't figured out yet if any before that). 2nd owner was 82 years old when he sold it and daily drove it for 8 years. Car has the CS package incl. the folding buckets. rotors and pads fairly new (not PCCB).
Would you you guys get a GT3 with that many miles on it if everything checks out and how much do you think it would be worth? I know the market for GT3s in Germany is a little different than the US atm, but would love to hear your opinion.
I will do a quick intro once I get a 997.2 GT3 myself finally. Maybe you could help me out with the following car i am debating on getting:
I am a little hesitant since the car in question has around 72K miles, but on the other hand I won't be thinking about keeping the miles low and drive the heck out of it.
Car has only been maintained at Porsche dealers only and has a Porsche approved warranty until the end of the year.
Accident and respray free, looks very clean in all the pics the owner sent, definitely no track use in the last 50k miles (haven't figured out yet if any before that). 2nd owner was 82 years old when he sold it and daily drove it for 8 years. Car has the CS package incl. the folding buckets. rotors and pads fairly new (not PCCB).
Would you you guys get a GT3 with that many miles on it if everything checks out and how much do you think it would be worth? I know the market for GT3s in Germany is a little different than the US atm, but would love to hear your opinion.
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Steve Theodore (02-05-2024)
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I cannot help with values in your region but I can say that I would absolutely buy an example like that which was well cared for. I think many Europeans enjoy driving their Porsches from the mileage I see on the 964 and 993 cars, which is a bit opposite to many over here in the USA which get relegated to garage status. So long as the price paid is fair I see no reason to not consider a higher mileage example that has been well kept and passes inspection. Keep us posted!
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Thanks for replying. My problem is that I don't have any comps, mileage wise. I haven't seen above 50k miles for sale in quite some time and it feels like prices are going up. Cars with half the miles go for about $135 - $145 here...not sure about being as clean though. Would $30k less be fair for double the miles? .
I cannot help with values in your region but I can say that I would absolutely buy an example like that which was well cared for. I think many Europeans enjoy driving their Porsches from the mileage I see on the 964 and 993 cars, which is a bit opposite to many over here in the USA which get relegated to garage status. So long as the price paid is fair I see no reason to not consider a higher mileage example that has been well kept and passes inspection. Keep us posted!
#29
I'm not sure if a full $30k less is realistic, but it's probably fair to think that they may not have as many serious buyers for the car as the other ones with lower mileage. So, if that assumption is right you may have more bargaining power than you expect. The 'problem' you may face is that others will see the same opportunity if their budget doesn't go high enough for the low mileage car of course, so then you'll be competing with buyers that otherwise may have lost their dream of buying a 997 GT3.
Thanks for replying. My problem is that I don't have any comps, mileage wise. I haven't seen above 50k miles for sale in quite some time and it feels like prices are going up. Cars with half the miles go for about $135 - $145 here...not sure about being as clean though. Would $30k less be fair for double the miles? .
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M3glaubiger (02-06-2024)
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In the USA some members tried to assign a $ value per mile and I think it was like $1 per mile. Your market is a lot softer so maybe .5 per mile. You can convert that to km and see what you come up with.
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